Update: Tim Beckham and Caleb Joseph Non-tendered

[Jammer7]

16 minutes ago, Frobby said:

He’s making close to the minimum, and has options, so he’ll be retained.   

Does he have options? I thought he was out now.

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

Does he have options? I thought he was out now.

Rickard has two options left.  His only option used was in 2018.  He was optioned in 2017 but did not stay in the minors for 20 days.

[clapdiddy]

1 hour ago, weams said:

He'd be a heck of a right fielder. 

Never thought of that.  I'd have no problems trying him there...but it would have to be as a non-tendered free agent.  I think he's athletic enough to be a decent outfielder.

[Satyr3206]

This should be the easiest decision of the off season. Non Tender.

[jtschrei]

I already non tendered Beckham... 

I love being the new GM of the Orioles... 

I will spend the millions I save on him on prospects from Latin America.

[Satyr3206]

3 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:

This should be the easiest decision of the off season. Non Tender.

And apparently I misunderstood the poll because the above is how I think.

[El Gordo]

8 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:

This should be the easiest decision of the off season. Non Tender.

It's not that easy. We need a defensive upgrade at SS. We have no one in the system who can do that. Beckham is a career 98 OPS+ SS. His glove is below average but not terrible. Who is substantially better  in the system? 

[Legend_Of_Joey]

1 hour ago, El Gordo said:

It's not that easy. We need a defensive upgrade at SS. We have no one in the system who can do that. Beckham is a career 98 OPS+ SS. His glove is below average but not terrible. Who is substantially better  in the system? 

You don't need someone in the system already.

If they are intent on getting Martin in the Rule 5 draft from Oakland and/or Villar at short, why hold onto someone you don't really want to play anyway?

[El Gordo]

3 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

You don't need someone in the system already.

If they are intent on getting Martin in the Rule 5 draft from Oakland and/or Villar at short, why hold onto someone you don't really want to play anyway?

Is Martin ML ready? Villar has more trade value if he sticks at 2B and he's not a defEnsive upgrade at SS.

[Aristotelian]

25 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

You don't need someone in the system already.

If they are intent on getting Martin in the Rule 5 draft from Oakland and/or Villar at short, why hold onto someone you don't really want to play anyway?

If Beckham puts together a decent season in line with his historical averages, I think we could get something back for him. Look at what we got for Schoop. The good version of Beckham is at least as good as the 2018 version of Schoop. We could still carry Martin in a backup role. If Beckham gets hurt or plays badly, it's just one year's salary down the drain. Is he going to get more than $5M? Not a big deal.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

If Beckham puts together a decent season in line with his historical averages, I think we could get something back for him. Look at what we got for Schoop. The good version of Beckham is at least as good as the 2018 version of Schoop. We could still carry Martin in a backup role. If Beckham gets hurt or plays badly, it's just one year's salary down the drain. Is he going to get more than $5M? Not a big deal.

Look at what they gave up for 2+ seasons of him.

One promising pitcher in the low minors.

[TGO]

One thing no one has mentioned is that arbitration salaries are not guaranteed until the player makes the roster at the start of the season. So you can tender a contract and bring him to spring training without being on the hook for the entire season's salary. I was previously leaning towards non-tendering him but given the above, I'd tender him a contract.

[VaBird1]

1 minute ago, TGO said:

One thing no one has mentioned is that arbitration salaries are not guaranteed until the player makes the roster at the start of the season. So you can tender a contract and bring him to spring training without being on the hook for the entire season's salary. I was previously leaning towards non-tendering him but given the above, I'd tender him a contract.

This is what I was thinking too.  No rush IMO.

[wildbillhiccup]

9 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

Billy Hamilton another interesting non-tender now being reported.

Schoop, Davidson, Flores - I can all kind of get if the modern GM's perspective is the antiquated arb system values HR/RBI too much.  Maybe with Hamilton it's just the same thing with the SB counting stats.

Certainly Elias has plenty of cover if he passes on any of ours.

I'm amazed the Reds weren't able to get something for Hamilton. He seems like a player teams would think they can "fix". He's a really good defender too. 

[Number5]

4 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I'm amazed the Reds weren't able to get something for Hamilton. He seems like a player teams would think they can "fix". He's a really good defender too. 

You can't steal first base.  He'll get a MLB job, but $5.9 million is too much.