The Victor Victor Mesa/Sandy Gaston thread

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I don't blame Jeter, I think he's a yes man for the owners.  This way he stays in the limelight and rakes in an equity share in a ML team.

He tried to make himself, something he wasn't, instead of being himself.

Since he makes money for reducing the payroll, it doesn't give their fans a warm fuzzy that its being done for the right reason.

[Roll Tide]

5 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Two of Brady's recent signings. Based on those numbers, I'm not sure he'd be the person I'd trust to properly "evaluate talent". 

Andrew Cashner

2018	31	BAL	AL	4	15	.211	5.29	28	28	0	0	0	0	153.0	177	97	90	25	65	3	99	3	0	6	681	78	5.32	1.582	10.4	1.5	3.8	5.8	1.52

 

Alex Cobb

2018	30	BAL	AL	5	15	.250	4.90	28	28	0	1	0	0	152.1	172	93	83	24	43	5	102	4	1	4	661	85	4.80	1.411	10.2	1.4	2.5	6.0	2.37

 

Cobb had a real bad year caused by missing spring training and some blisters. He will be just fine and is the anchor of our rotation. Cashner was added to be what he produced which was a #4 starter. I don't love the results but these guys were close to the two of the best available SPs on the market. If your going to criticize I'm sure you can find something better to make your case!

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

Cobb had a real bad year caused by missing spring training and some blisters. He will be just fine and is the anchor of our rotation. Cashner was added to be what he produced which was a #4 starter. I don't love the results but these guys were close to the two of the best available SPs on the market. If your going to criticize I'm sure you can find something better to make your case!

Do you really think a half season of ineptitude is because he missed spring training?  I'll give a guy April if he misses spring training but not until the all star break.

[Moose Milligan]

45 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Its way more involved then just Stanton.

Well if you wanna make an omlette, you gotta break some eggs.

[maybenxtyr]

2 hours ago, baltfan said:

How do you know the extra $750k wouldn’t make a difference.  Maybe that added money would allow for both of Gaston and VVM

That still doesn't change the fact that they have the most money to offer VVM. That was the question. 

 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, maybenxtyr said:

That still doesn't change the fact that they have the most money to offer VVM. That was the question. 

 

But they could have had more most money and instead they have Jack Zoellner.

[weams]

52 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He did more than trade Stanton. 

How about that Christian Yelich eh, what a season he had.  He made 7M and put up 7.6 rWAR.

How about the way they fired Mr Marlin?

Yes.

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

But they could have had more most money and instead they have Jack Zoellner.

JZ baby.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

JZ baby.  

If this kid turns into something I'm going to be hearing about it forever.  I might have to leave the board.

[maybenxtyr]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But they could have had more most money and instead they have Jack Zoellner.

I get that, but I don't think he will be the reason VVM will not be an Oriole. It is a conversation without a known answer though.

[Moose Milligan]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If this kid turns into something I'm going to be hearing about it forever.  I might have to leave the board.

I don't think you have to worry about going anywhere big fella.

[Moose Milligan]

Marc Anthony is VVM's agent?  GTFO.  Not only is that a joke, but there's no way he's an Oriole now.

[wildbillhiccup]

34 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Cobb had a real bad year caused by missing spring training and some blisters. He will be just fine and is the anchor of our rotation. Cashner was added to be what he produced which was a #4 starter. I don't love the results but these guys were close to the two of the best available SPs on the market. If your going to criticize I'm sure you can find something better to make your case!

...like I said if either of them do better for the remaining years of their contracts then we can reevaluate, but right now all we have to judge them by is their 2018 season. And both stunk. And if you're comfortable with your 4th starter having a 5+ era then I think you might need to raise your expectations a bit. 

IMO, Cashner was a complete waste of money. His 2017 numbers was fools gold. 

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

...like I said if either of them do better for the remaining years of their contracts then we can reevaluate, but right now all we have to judge them by is their 2018 season. And both stunk. And if you're comfortable with your 4th starter having a 5+ era then I think you might need to raise your expectations a bit. 

IMO, Cashner was a complete waste of money. His 2017 numbers was fools gold. 

The past is the best predictor of the future.  And Cashner is going to suck for awhile.

I feel like Cobb could be respectable.

[Santandah]

1 hour ago, Redskins Rick said:

My nightmare is, we sign him for 6.5 million, he comes here, and sucks worse than Puig, and then day after day of posts in OH, OMG, why did those indiots in the FO not see he was bad and not sign the guy.

I don't get the Puig hate. Sure, he's has some down periods and is a prima dona. But I wouldn't mind having him in the outfield. The guy has moments of sheer brilliance.