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28 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He resigned with the Royals, a much different proposition.  He was also burdened by a QO. 

What do you think he’ll be offered? My guess is less than he turned down last year even though he won’t cost a pick this time.    

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

What do you think he’ll be offered? My guess is less than he turned down last year even though he won’t cost a pick this time.    

Word is he turned down a four year deal last offseason so he won't do that well.

I'm not expecting the current market to be kind to him.  But I also don't see him signing a one year deal with the O's and then being flipped for prospects that are worth more than what the O's paid him. 

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5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Word is he turned down a four year deal last offseason so he won't do that well.

I'm not expecting the current market to be kind to him.  But I also don't see him signing a one year deal with the O's and then being flipped for prospects that are worth more than what the O's paid him. 

I think it’s highly unlikely.   He misread the market last year.   

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First off, it's laughable to think that either player would sign a one year deal to play for this team right now knowing that their best case scenario is to get traded away in the midst of a miserable team season.

But if we did pull a move like this (similar to the calls for bringing Schoop back), I'd be pretty disappointed in Elias. I have every reason to believe that he's committed to moving this team forward into the future rather than foolishly lighting money on fire like this.

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Either would be a total waste of money. The majority of the trade return on deals like this never amount to anything. Sure, there are examples of this working out, but if you look at the majority, maybe even the vast majority of deadline deals involving players like these guys will be in 2019, the return does not pan out. Keep the money and invest it in developing the Orioles organization, signing high quality international players, etc. The Orioles have flushed way too much money down the middling free agent toilet over the years. The Orioles don't have the resources to take these very low probability gambles. Time to be smarter.  

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I think both of these guys are too good for this kind of play, and the sweet spot is lower down the talent/cost chain. 

It needs to be a player who might want full-time AB's he wouldn't be assured of on a good team in April 2019, to re-establish himself as a potential contributor to 2019's contenders.

Leonys Martin was a nice example of this last year for the Tigers.  This year I've kind of wondered if Brian Dozier might fit.  He may have been playing hurt last year (as front line players on by the skin of their teeth would be contenders more often have to), and our park is good for him to pull fly balls in, as is his style.  He could hit in the top third of the order for us next spring, but there aren't many teams that will work for.

A Nelson Cruz type guy on a 1-year/$8M type contract is an organizational asset whether your expected wins are 55 or 95, and then it's just for the front office to arbitrage it.  There will be some union vet who loses musical chairs among all the decent teams for whom hitting in the heart of Baltimore's order becomes of potential "betting on himself" value.

I have no idea who it will be, but I am guessing the Orioles will end up with some random established big leaguer of this ilk.

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2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Word is he turned down a four year deal last offseason so he won't do that well.

I'm not expecting the current market to be kind to him.  But I also don't see him signing a one year deal with the O's and then being flipped for prospects that are worth more than what the O's paid him. 

Yep.

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6 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

I think both of these guys are too good for this kind of play, and the sweet spot is lower down the talent/cost chain. 

It needs to be a player who might want full-time AB's he wouldn't be assured of on a good team in April 2019, to re-establish himself as a potential contributor to 2019's contenders.

Leonys Martin was a nice example of this last year for the Tigers.  This year I've kind of wondered if Brian Dozier might fit.  He may have been playing hurt last year (as front line players on by the skin of their teeth would be contenders more often have to), and our park is good for him to pull fly balls in, as is his style.  He could hit in the top third of the order for us next spring, but there aren't many teams that will work for.

A Nelson Cruz type guy on a 1-year/$8M type contract is an organizational asset whether your expected wins are 55 or 95, and then it's just for the front office to arbitrage it.  There will be some union vet who loses musical chairs among all the decent teams for whom hitting in the heart of Baltimore's order becomes of potential "betting on himself" value.

I have no idea who it will be, but I am guessing the Orioles will end up with some random established big leaguer of this ilk.

Nelson Cruz will get a two year with player option/games played.

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2 hours ago, OrioleDog said:

I think both of these guys are too good for this kind of play, and the sweet spot is lower down the talent/cost chain. 

It needs to be a player who might want full-time AB's he wouldn't be assured of on a good team in April 2019, to re-establish himself as a potential contributor to 2019's contenders.

Leonys Martin was a nice example of this last year for the Tigers.  This year I've kind of wondered if Brian Dozier might fit.  He may have been playing hurt last year (as front line players on by the skin of their teeth would be contenders more often have to), and our park is good for him to pull fly balls in, as is his style.  He could hit in the top third of the order for us next spring, but there aren't many teams that will work for.

A Nelson Cruz type guy on a 1-year/$8M type contract is an organizational asset whether your expected wins are 55 or 95, and then it's just for the front office to arbitrage it.  There will be some union vet who loses musical chairs among all the decent teams for whom hitting in the heart of Baltimore's order becomes of potential "betting on himself" value.

I have no idea who it will be, but I am guessing the Orioles will end up with some random established big leaguer of this ilk.

Nelson Cruz is predicted to get 2/30.

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