Dumping a Bad Contract. Is the Bar About to be Set?

[El Gordo]

53 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

Cano has little defensive value, at this point, but remains a solid hitter.  It's a very bad contract, but not historically bad at Davis levels, as was pointed out to me by Frobby and Corn when I made a similar comparison earlier.  It will be interesting to see how much of the contract Seattle will have to eat in order to move Cano, but it really won't be very instructive for the O's.

The Mats might play him at 1B.

[Orioles0615]

1 hour ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Also Cano's coming off a legitimate PED suspension. 

Wasn't he just taking something that although was on the banned list he was taking it to recover from surgery? 

[weams]

12 minutes ago, andrewochs615 said:

Wasn't he just taking something that although was on the banned list he was taking it to recover from surgery? 

Nope. He's always been a ROIDER. They all have their excuses. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, weams said:

Nope. He's always been a ROIDER. They all have their excuses. 

Worked for Pettitte.

[mdbdotcom]

I'd offer the Mairiners Bundy and Chris Davis and take on all of Cano's salary.

[weams]

2 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

I'd offer the Mairiners Bundy and Chris Davis and take on all of Cano's salary.

And Givens and  DL  Hall and The Comp Balance Pick. 

[mdbdotcom]

1 minute ago, weams said:

And Givens and  DL  Hall and The Comp Balance Pick. 

That's a little rich, but maybe Bundy and Givens.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, weams said:

And Givens and  DL  Hall and The Comp Balance Pick. 

Could take king Felix back.

[mdbdotcom]

If Davis makes it through the entire season on the roster (including the DL), he'll be a 10/5 guy with the right to veto any trade. 

[jrobb21613]

I can’t imagine the data supports keeping  Chris Davis on this team with his current contract. I imagine there is better value in eating that contract and cutting ties with Davis and allowing someone else take his place that will bring more production to the team. With Elias being a numbers/data guy in spite of what he said at his presser I imagine Davis days are numbered here. If Davis is still on this team I will suspect that ownership still has a  heavy influence. Where if the exact opposite happens and Davis is cut that will surely confirm Elias has control.

[hoosiers]

The proposed deal for Cano makes little sense to me.  It's not just that Cano might still be a 4+ WAR guy producing at a level which justifies his salary.  Bruce is a negative WAR guy in 2018 at $11M.  

The mention of the Ms tossing in Haniger and his 6.1 WAR in 2018 at the league minimum makes the proposed deal a total farce IMO. Haniger had a monster year in 2018 and is on the cusp of stardom with similar results in 2019 and going forward.

[atomic]

Why do the Mariners want to get rid of Cano so badly?  Do they think he won't hit without droids.  He had a .374 OBP last year.  He should still be somewhat productive.

[Hallas]

6 hours ago, atomic said:

Why do the Mariners want to get rid of Cano so badly?  Do they think he won't hit without droids.  He had a .374 OBP last year.  He should still be somewhat productive.

Part of being able to draw a walk is being able to command enough respect from pitchers to make them throw non strikes at you.  If he can't hit then pitchers will have no reason to throw him balls out of the strike zone, and his past history indicates that he isn't the type to manufacture his own OBP.

 

That said, Cano is probably still a good player and the proposed trade makes zero sense.

[sportsfan8703]

10 hours ago, mdbdotcom said:

If Davis makes it through the entire season on the roster (including the DL), he'll be a 10/5 guy with the right to veto any trade. 

Davis isn’t going anywhere. Our best bet is that the new hitting coaches will be able to craft some sort of strategy to where he isn’t the worst player in baseball history. 

Cano is a guy with a big contract. Nowhere near Davis. He’s going to end up with 3000 hits. 400 HRs. A bunch of top 10 MVP finishes, SIlver Sluggers, and Gold Gloves. He’s a HOF. Maybe PEDS keep him out. Davis is essentially a P hitting. I wish that were a joke. 

[mdbdotcom]

34 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Davis isn’t going anywhere. Our best bet is that the new hitting coaches will be able to craft some sort of strategy to where he isn’t the worst player in baseball history. 

Cano is a guy with a big contract. Nowhere near Davis. He’s going to end up with 3000 hits. 400 HRs. A bunch of top 10 MVP finishes, SIlver Sluggers, and Gold Gloves. He’s a HOF. Maybe PEDS keep him out. Davis is essentially a P hitting. I wish that were a joke. 

Davis is owed $92mm over the next four years, of which $24mm is deferred, plus $18mm in deferred money from the first three years of the deal. The $42M in deferred money is interest-free, and is to be paid in 10 installments of $3.5M annually each July 1, 2023-32, and five installments of $1.4M each July 1, 2033-37.

Cano is owed $120mm over the next five years. None of it is deferred.

So, the AAV for Davis is $23mm and the AAV for Cano is $24mm. Cano has one more year on his deal. 

I'd rather have Cano than Davis, even though he is owed more money and will be under contract until he is 40. The Mariners might be convinced that they'd be better off paying Davis $17mm each year with the rest deferred - but, probably not.