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1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

Schoop has looked bad at 3B in limited time. I have to think if he could play 3B, we would have done Schoop 3B, Machado SS, and Beckham 2B. If Schoop could have played 3B all along, Buck and Dan should have been fired a long time ago.

I saw Schoop play 3B a few times in the minors and has hands caused him some problems. He doesn't have great hands there and the longer throws make it harder for him to recover like he can at second base. While I don't think Schoop would be awful if he  worked on and spent a whole year there, I don't think he'd ever be more than adequate there. 

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38 minutes ago, McLovin said:

I guess he won't have the opportunity to skip the Brewer's FanFest...

Not going to lie, skipping Fanfest because he was basically holding out over a long term deal only be traded and DFA'd by the team that acquired him the following off season is quite a fall. Saying that, If Schoop could be gotten for a 1yr $3mil, I'd sign him for 2B.

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1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

Schoop has looked bad at 3B in limited time. I have to think if he could play 3B, we would have done Schoop 3B, Machado SS, and Beckham 2B. If Schoop could have played 3B all along, Buck and Dan should have been fired a long time ago.

Why we had Hardy, Machado, and Schoop.  The best place for Schoop to play at the time was 2nd with Manny at third and Hardy at SS.  Manny is not playing 2nd and Hardy was a gold glove caliber SS at the time when Schoop was coming up.  

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5 hours ago, atomic said:

Do you even check the stats before you claim things. Reddick has career .323 OBP and McCann .338.  Schoop OBP is .294.  

Yes I do look at stats and I am not looking at guys overall stats but the stats when they equal in experience and age level not an older age when you learn how to take more pitches and being patient.

Stats before going to Houston the 4 years before comaped to schoop

4 years before getting analytics 9if Schoop comes back)

Reddick 25 .242 .305

Schoop 23 .279 .306

McCann29  .256 .336

Gattis Minors

 

3 YEARS BEFORE

Reddik 26 .226 .307

Schoop 24 .267 .298

McCann 30 .232 .286

Gattis 26 .243 .291

 

2 YEARS BEFORE

Reddick 27 .264 .316

Schoop 25 .293 .338

McCann 31 .232 .320

Gatts 27 .263 .317

 

1 YEAR BEFORE

Reddick 28 .272 .333

Schoop 26 .244 .273

McCann 32 .242 .335

Gattis 28 .246 .285

 

Totals

Reddick 25-28 .251 .314

Schoop 23-27 .270 .304

McCann 29-32 .241 .316

Gattis 26-28 .250 .298

 

They are all pretty similar at the time when Elias and company acquired them.  The bigger question is does he fit in their plans at this time but as a I said in orginal statement analytics are not just guys OBP but looking at data and finding players they feel they can improve the most through it.

 

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55 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Not going to lie, skipping Fanfest because he was basically holding out over a long term deal only be traded and DFA'd by the team that acquired him the following off season is quite a fall. Saying that, If Schoop could be gotten for a 1yr $3mil, I'd sign him for 2B.

Yep. Skip the fanfest guys. Skip it all you want. 

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I don't have a problem signing Schoop to a fairly small contract to play 2nd base.  I'd rather get a young SS who can actually play offense and defense in the majors, but that's not entirely realistic for 2019, so if we can push up his trade value and potentially trade him and/or Villar for a nice piece or 2, I'm for it.  It's not like they're blocking anyone in 2019.  

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3 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

I saw Schoop play 3B a few times in the minors and has hands caused him some problems. He doesn't have great hands there and the longer throws make it harder for him to recover like he can at second base. While I don't think Schoop would be awful if he  worked on and spent a whole year there, I don't think he'd ever be more than adequate there. 

I can't think that Jonathan is the same guy defensively that he was in 2011 in Delmarva and Frederick.  He played 24 game there.

He played in 17 games at 3B in April 2014.  Manny was out to begin the season due to a knee surgery.   Flaherty was supposed to play 3B for Manny but Hardy went down with varies injuries that April and Flaherty was needed at SS.  So Schoop moved to 3B for part of April.  No prep,  just go there an play.  He was not good.   

While I reality that Jon did not do well at 3B either of these two times its not convincing to me that he could not be good there.  Having Jon prepare in ST for a season at 3B is not that.   It gives him time to adjust.   I could see him doing much better at 3B in 2019 if the price is right.

If Jon is truly limited at 2B with his range there is not real reason to keep him there. Not if the O's are trying to improve their defense. Move him to 3B where the range he has may be beneficial.

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11 hours ago, bpilktree said:

Yes I do look at stats and I am not looking at guys overall stats but the stats when they equal in experience and age level not an older age when you learn how to take more pitches and being patient.

Stats before going to Houston the 4 years before comaped to schoop

4 years before getting analytics 9if Schoop comes back)

Reddick 25 .242 .305

Schoop 23 .279 .306

McCann29  .256 .336

Gattis Minors

 

3 YEARS BEFORE

Reddik 26 .226 .307

Schoop 24 .267 .298

McCann 30 .232 .286

Gattis 26 .243 .291

 

2 YEARS BEFORE

Reddick 27 .264 .316

Schoop 25 .293 .338

McCann 31 .232 .320

Gatts 27 .263 .317

 

1 YEAR BEFORE

Reddick 28 .272 .333

Schoop 26 .244 .273

McCann 32 .242 .335

Gattis 28 .246 .285

 

Totals

Reddick 25-28 .251 .314

Schoop 23-27 .270 .304

McCann 29-32 .241 .316

Gattis 26-28 .250 .298

 

They are all pretty similar at the time when Elias and company acquired them.  The bigger question is does he fit in their plans at this time but as a I said in orginal statement analytics are not just guys OBP but looking at data and finding players they feel they can improve the most through it.

 

This kind of thinking might be right, but Elias can’t just sprinkle analytics magic dust on every player. Plus It was pretty obvious Schoop changed his “launch angle”. 

I have a feeling that “analytics” is going to be like our own global warming science. You can either blame it, or not blame it, for everything. 

I think Schoop is a “streak” hitter, that really benefits from knowing the pitchers in the league. I don’t think he is a “pure” hitter.  So you bring him back to the AL East, where he knows the P, and let him play half his games in OPACY, where his power plays up. 

I don’t know what that is worth to our franchise at the moment, but a 1 year deal for <$5million might make sense. 

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15 hours ago, atomic said:

Nunez had 1.3 WAR in 60 games last season and Villar had 2.7 WAR.  I would rather roll with them.  We could use a catcher and a Shortstop.  That is what we should be discussing.  

Nah, dont need either, isnt this why Beckham and Caleb was non-tendered, since there was plenty around. :)

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13 hours ago, Ruzious said:

I don't have a problem signing Schoop to a fairly small contract to play 2nd base.  I'd rather get a young SS who can actually play offense and defense in the majors, but that's not entirely realistic for 2019, so if we can push up his trade value and potentially trade him and/or Villar for a nice piece or 2, I'm for it.  It's not like they're blocking anyone in 2019.  

We just nontendered Beckham, who has much more trade value upside as a complete player who can hit and play middle infield. If we were going to play that game, we could have done it with Beckham. Schoop makes even less sense. As much as Schoop brought to our team during the run, bringing him back just doesn't seem like the direction we are going.

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