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There Are Rumblings That the O's Will Not Take Rutschman


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14 minutes ago, atomic said:

We got Machado, Markakis and Brian Roberts so I am sure there teams that have done worse. 

Matusz does a whole lot of cancelling out the others.

a whooooole lot.

You do make a valid point but...a

whooooole

lot...

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1 minute ago, Philip said:

Matusz does a whole lot of cancelling out the others.

a whooooole lot.

You do make a valid point but...a

whooooole

lot...

Every team has a Matusz or worse in the last 30 years.  At least he made it to the big leagues. 

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1 minute ago, Philip said:

Matusz does a whole lot of cancelling out the others.

a whooooole lot.

You do make a valid point but...a

whooooole

lot...

Matusz?

You could have mentioned Rowell or Hobgood and you went with a guy who played eight years and ended with positive rWAR?

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13 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'd give a laugh smiley for rep but I'm all out for the day.  

I think AR as soon as next summer, I think Witt in 2021.

If we see AR up here next year then he will stay down long enough in 21 not to use a year up.

I think we see him up for good May of 2021. First full year will be 2022. 

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2 minutes ago, atomic said:

You mean the 9th most productive player picked #5 overall? 

Doesn’t say much for guys picked 5 overall. Wieters was a complete bust considering he didn’t come close to living up to the Hype. Imo. He was inducted into the hof before he caught an inning in the show. 

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Just now, jrobb21613 said:

Doesn’t say much for guys picked 5 overall. Wieters was a complete bust considering he didn’t come close to living up to the Hype. Imo. He was inducted into the hof before he caught an inning in the show. 

He got MVP votes, he made all star games, he won a freakin platinum glove.

Heck he's still playing.

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6 minutes ago, Philip said:

Matusz does a whole lot of cancelling out the others.

a whooooole lot.

You do make a valid point but...a

whooooole

lot...

Hobgood is the one.  The next 3 guys picked after him are all having productive seasons this year.  I have a feeling Elias is going to go full Hobgood on us. 

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7 minutes ago, jrobb21613 said:

Doesn’t say much for guys picked 5 overall. Wieters was a complete bust considering he didn’t come close to living up to the Hype. Imo. He was inducted into the hof before he caught an inning in the show

Funny the guys he was compared to when drafted weren't in the hall of fame.  He didn't reach the heights that many predicted but he wasn't a bust. 

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

He got MVP votes, he made all star games, he won a freakin platinum glove.

Heck he's still playing.

Lol okay if you think Wieters career    Has came close to living up the switch hitting Jesus and cleats hype I want some of what your smoking. I’m not saying he didn’t have a productive career just never lived up the Hype and maybe that Hype wasn’t warranted but he was never the player especially bat we thought he would be.

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1 minute ago, atomic said:

Funny the guys he was compared to when drafted weren't in the hall of fame.  He didn't reach the heights that many predicted but he wasn't a bust. 

Not a bust at all. Has had a very productive big league career just never lived up to the hype. 

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Just now, jrobb21613 said:

Lol okay if you think Wieters career    Has came close to living up the switch hitting Jesus and cleats hype I want some of what your smoking. I’m not saying he didn’t have a productive career just never lived up the Hype and maybe that Hype wasn’t warranted but he was never the player especially bat we thought he would be.

We are talking about draft hype here right?

Draft hype was Varitek.

 

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7 minutes ago, jrobb21613 said:

Lol okay if you think Wieters career    Has came close to living up the switch hitting Jesus and cleats hype I want some of what your smoking. I’m not saying he didn’t have a productive career just never lived up the Hype and maybe that Hype wasn’t warranted but he was never the player especially bat we thought he would be.

The two guys right before him in the draft that year had -1.3 and 0.2 WAR respectively.  The 3 guys drafted after him had 0.5, -1.0 and 0 WAR.   I would consider Wieters a very good pick. 

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The Os need to explore all options in how they will handle the draft.  There are many, many combinations of players that will fill out our slot spending.  Every team needs to work on all of their options …. but not every team will have some or all of the underslot $ the Os will presumably have based on savings with the first pick.

The Os need to be ready for any scenario in which AR tells them he is not signing for less than $8M (or even $7.5M).  AR runs his own risk of asking for too much $ and then a team at 4 or 5 in the draft taking him and offering $5M with a take it or go back to school.  Same if Witt is asking too much. And if, in those scenarios, we take the college 1B, Bleday or Abrams, and sign them for much less than slot, we need to have multiple possible overslot guys lined up.

The Os are going to go to Witt or AR before the draft and ask the signing bonus number, offer what we feel is a good offer, and see if the kid will sign with us or not. 

I certainly appreciate a scenario where we work out a pre-draft deal for a big under-slot signing in order to draft and sign multiple quality prospects later in the draft (as the Astros did when they took Correa over Buxton).  We want the Os to leave the draft and sign the most talent of any team (save perhaps the Diamondbacks and their huge pool).  

All that said, there is an old saying "don't look a gift horse in the mouth".  For the younger folks, it means - if someone gives you a free horse, you don't go checking the horses teeth to see how healthy it is.  You take the horse, say thank you and walk away - check the teeth later.  I feel the same with AR (or Witt) being available.  Don't get cute with playing draft scenarios.  According to multiple sources, AR is immediately a top 10-20 prospect in all of baseball.  He is going to sign for less than slot - just have to see how much.  So you take your slot savings there and go about the rest of the draft.  I would agree a Witt selection is perfectly defensible and think Vaughn is somewhat defensible, but AR is too much prospect to pass up.

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