Why did Davis go after Hyde? He was not happy.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, weams said:

That would mean he would make it north with the team. He won't. 

I hope that.  I don't believe it, not yet.

[atomic]

30 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Just pointing out a clear contradiction within a single post of yours, one you continue to double down on, it’s ok if you don’t get it.

Let me spell it out for you.  

Betemit veteran did not stop Buck from replacing him with Machado.

Freddie Garcia Buck didn't keep pitching him once he had failure after failure.

Guys who had success for him in the past is the guys he kept playing.  I am not sure why it is so hard for you to comprehend what I am writing.  He didn't value veterans over young guys.  He valued guys who helped him win games in the past over guys who didn't.  

[weams]

17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I hope that.  I don't believe it, not yet.

Have you been paying attention? Or is this just a show me situation. 

[atomic]

45 minutes ago, Dipper9 said:

I didn't say was a huge help during the playoffs.  But without Davis we may not have the 3 appearance in 5 years that we did.  (yes, I know he got suspended late in 2014.)

In Davis' two big seasons we didn't make the playoffs.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, weams said:

Have you been paying attention? Or is this just a show me situation. 

From what I know of ownership, I need to see it.

 

[SteveA]

14 minutes ago, weams said:

Have you been paying attention? Or is this just a show me situation. 

Obviously they have asked him to do "something" over the offseason.   I don't think any of us know what it is, how onerous it is, how much work is involved, and whether it is even possible.

We know Elias and company are too smart to judge him in the spring just based on spring training stats, which amount to at most 50 at bats against a collection of pitchers who average about AAA quality at best.   So that means one of two things:

1) They have something else they can judge him on in the spring rather than just spring training stats.   Some of their fancy camera equipment that measures bat speed or fast twitch muscle response.   Or some significant change in his stance, swing, or approach that they have mandated he try and the results will be obvious to their eyes whether he really made the drastic change.   If he fails this test, he's gone.

or

2) Coming to spring training means he will make the team and have some continued time to show improvement (enough real at bats for the sample size to be meaningful, which means coming back to Baltimore because you can't get enough sample size in Sarasota).

I really hope it's #1.   But having him come to spring training at all scares me.   I'm still hoping that some random Friday afternoon in November, when they are structuring the 40 man roster for the winter meetings and the Rule V draft, that they list a few cuts and he is among them.  

[NCRaven]

22 minutes ago, weams said:

Have you been paying attention? Or is this just a show me situation. 

It's very much a show me situation for me.  There's no good baseball reason for Davis to still be on a Major League roster.  So, until he isn't on the Orioles roster, I will wonder why that's the case.  I'll be satisfied when he's gone, but I'll never understand why he lasted so long.

[atomic]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

From what I know of ownership, I need to see it.

 

Remember when there was a poll on here at the begining of the season to pick when Davis would be released.  And I said it was a ridiculous poll as there was no choice beyond this season.  Them everyone got on me for saying that.  

Now everyone is assuming Davis gets released during the  off season.  I think that the odds that he is released during the off season are low.  We aren’t competing next year so there is no reason to release him. Plus there is an extra roster spot the team has to pay for.  So they save 1 major league minimum salary by keeping him. 

[GuidoSarducci]

3 hours ago, atomic said:

Remember when there was a poll on here at the begining of the season to pick when Davis would be released.  And I said it was a ridiculous poll as there was no choice beyond this season.  Them everyone got on me for saying that.  

Now everyone is assuming Davis gets released during the  off season.  I think that the odds that he is released during the off season are low.  We aren’t competing next year so there is no reason to release him. Plus there is an extra roster spot the team has to pay for.  So they save 1 major league minimum salary by keeping him. 

I think he might get until next years ASB at the latest.

By being on the 25 man, he's eating up a roster spot and will be blocking prospects from getting ML playing time.  I think even the Angelos brothers have to see at this point.  He's done and the chance that we won't have to eat the entire contract, is about 0.00001%

I think they could keep him on the 40-man just to spite him and prevent him from playing elsewhere (although maybe he doesn't care), though that means he essentially gets a paid vacation as he can block a minor league assignment.

Edit: Actually, I'm wondering now if they could keep him on the 40-man without him being on the IL or the minor leagues.

Edit2: Or could the Os simply place him on the IL with a fake injury which is essentially "suckitis" and would Davis have grievance case 

Edited September 18, 2019 by GuidoSarducci

[Frobby]

4 hours ago, atomic said:

Remember when there was a poll on here at the begining of the season to pick when Davis would be released. And I said it was a ridiculous poll as there was no choice beyond this season.  Them everyone got on me for saying that.  

Now everyone is assuming Davis gets released during the  off season.  I think that the odds that he is released during the off season are low.  

Stop being such a drama queen.    The poll you’re talking about included, among other options::

- Released during the postseason 

- Released during the offseason

- Released during spring training 2020

- Makes it to the 2020 regular season 

More than 40% of those polled chose the last option.     So stop posing as some lone voice in the wilderness on this issue.   Your complaint was that the last option wasn’t broken down into further categories like released in 2021 or 2022.    

Personally, I thought he’d be released by now.    But now that he’s gotten through the season, I doubt he will be released until next spring training at the earliest.

 

[Luke-OH]

5 hours ago, atomic said:

Let me spell it out for you.  

Betemit veteran did not stop Buck from replacing him with Machado.

Freddie Garcia Buck didn't keep pitching him once he had failure after failure.

Guys who had success for him in the past is the guys he kept playing.  I am not sure why it is so hard for you to comprehend what I am writing.  He didn't value veterans over young guys.  He valued guys who helped him win games in the past over guys who didn't.  

Exactly my point, thanks for making it for me, he had an emotional attachment to those who helped him in the past regardless of their current ability to help the team.

[Frobby]

12 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Exactly my point, thanks for making it for me, he had an emotional attachment to those who helped him in the past regardless of their current ability to help the team.

Earl Weaver: “I gave Mike [Cuellar] more chances than I gave my first wife.”    

[OFFNY]

19 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

Earl Weaver: “I gave Mike [Cuellar] more chances than I gave my first wife.”    

 

o

 

That was a hell of a cheap shot by Weaver in regard to Cuellar, who was one of his best and most reliable starting pitchers between 1969 and 1975.

Cuellar had one bad season with the Orioles in 1976, when he was 39 years-old.

 

o

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

12 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

o

 

That was a hell of a cheap shot by Weaver in regard to Cuellar, who was one of his best and most reliable starting pitchers between 1969 and 1975.

Cuellar had one bad season with the Orioles in 1976, when he was 39 years-old.

 

o

I was too young to remember, but I know Cuellar's stats and that Earl quote has alway puzzled me. I could see saying that about Don Stanhouse. 

Of course Palmer has this to say about Earl: 

"The only thing Earl (Weaver) knows about big-league pitching is that he couldn't hit it."

[atomic]

40 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

o

 

That was a hell of a cheap shot by Weaver in regard to Cuellar, who was one of his best and most reliable starting pitchers between 1969 and 1975.

Cuellar had one bad season with the Orioles in 1976, when he was 39 years-old.

 

o

It was a cheap shot on his first wife as well.