Cost Cutting Measures

[Il BuonO]

4 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

That's my dude too, I'd like him to play an average SS next spring and lock up 1-1. 

Hmm, not sure I want him to do that if the Orioles can’t pick number one.

[Can_of_corn]

44 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

That's my dude too, I'd like him to play an average SS next spring and lock up 1-2. 

FTFY

[weams]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

So 100 million per season? Sorry I don't buy the Sun. 

Im sick of hearing about the poor Orioles and the cost cutting BS.

I know you don't sign free agents at this point but the payroll is low enough.

That only takes the Orioles though 2016 debt. 

[Frobby]

54 minutes ago, weams said:

That only takes the Orioles though 2016 debt. 

Let’s not be overly dramatic.   The award was about $25 mm/yr higher than what the O’s originally proposed.    The difference between the highest payroll in baseball and the lowest is $172 mm.   The $25 mm might move the O’s down a few notches in terms of payroll capacity.    It doesn’t move them off the chart or even put them at the bottom of the chart.   Also remember, if rights fees obligations were $50 mm lower ($25 mm for both teams), the Nats would still be receiving their ownership share of that $50 mm.    So really the impact is $25 mm minus the Nats’ share of $50 mm (which varies by year but is increasing 1% a year.  In 2012-16 this was 13-17%, so call it $7.5 mm/yr.    By 2019 it’s 20%, which would be $10 mm.    Bottom line, the arbitration ruling is unfavorable  compared to what the O’s wanted but nothing remotely resembling a franchise-killer.

Moreover, the O’s have known about the likely outcome since 2012 (when the RSDC reached a tentative decision but didn’t formally issue it), and presumably have been constraining payroll in line with that outcome ever since.    

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, weams said:

That only takes the Orioles though 2016 debt. 

If the Orioles haven’t been setting aside money from MASN knowing they have a bill to pay it was beyond foolish.

so how much does each get from the MLB tv contract? 

By my estimates they get more than $50 million from the national contract and some where in the 60 million from the heavy side of the MASN deal.And the real number is probably higher than that!

 

And thats before and tickets, concessions, corporate sponsors, etc.

Even though attendance is down doesn’t mean the tickets aren’t paid for.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/23/foxs-mlb-tv-deal-is-much-richer-for-team-owners-than-you-probably-think/amp/

[weams]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

If the Orioles haven’t been setting aside money from MASN knowing they have a bill to pay it was beyond foolish.

so how much does each get from the MLB tv contract? 

By my estimates they get more than $50 million from the national contract and some where in the 60 million from the heavy side of the MASN deal.And the real number is probably higher than that!

 

And thats before and tickets, concessions, corporate sponsors, etc.

Even though attendance is down doesn’t mean the tickets aren’t paid for.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/23/foxs-mlb-tv-deal-is-much-richer-for-team-owners-than-you-probably-think/amp/

It has been said that a five percent return for MASN is an unsustainable business model. I’d assume that it is for the club as well. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, weams said:

It has been said that a five percent return for MASN is an unsustainable business model. I’d assume that it is for the club as well. 

They say lots of things.

We have any proof of a ML team in the last century not turning a profit over say a five year period?  Has any team been sold for a loss?

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, weams said:

It has been said that a five percent return for MASN is an unsustainable business model. I’d assume that it is for the club as well. 

MASN isn’t being run on a 5% return.    The Panel accepted that once MASN was no longer in start-up mode, 20% was reasonable.   But they took issue with how MASN allocated various expenses, etc.    Technical stuff too dull and detailed to post here.    

[Going Underground]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

MASN isn’t being run on a 5% return.    The Panel accepted that once MASN was no longer in start-up mode, 20% was reasonable.   But they took issue with how MASN allocated various expenses, etc.    Technical stuff too dull and detailed to post here.    

Plus MASN is run separate from the team.Also the Orioles admitted how much they made ar one of the hearing in profit.$50 million alone that year.Also if the Orioles cant survive having a regional network of two teams that the Orioles get at least 77 % of the revenue, they should be sold or move.With the payroll this year and regional and national network contract, they are break even or over even before ticket sales. 

[weams]

We can all speculate. None of us have the real books. 

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, weams said:

We can all speculate. None of us have the real books. 

The RSDC did.   

[weams]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The RSDC did.   

Fair enough. 

[OFFNY]

9 hours ago, weams said:

 

I'm going to go on record at this point (with the MASN lawsuit defeat and the extraordinary financial implications of it and the eventual change in ownership secession) to state that everything will again be perceived as cheapness.

Cheapness is a building block of any real rebuild. 

But every cost saving move is not something to rail about. These moves are in the model rebuild that we bought. And it will be a good four years until the benefits are revealed properly. 

Don't expect expenditures as we have been used to. We have entered the Matrix. Who knows what it will do to us all ???

 

o

 

"Dempsey ........ without me, you'll be on the bread lines at the soup kitchens !!!"

"I've been there before. It won't kill me."

 

Jack Dempsey, after firing one of his managers after a dispute in the early portion of his boxing career

 

o

[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, Going Underground said:

Plus MASN is run separate from the team.Also the Orioles admitted how much they made ar one of the hearing in profit.$50 million alone that year.Also if the Orioles cant survive having a regional network of two teams that the Orioles get at least 77 % of the revenue, they should be sold or move.With the payroll this year and regional and national network contract, they are break even or over even before ticket sales. 

Was that before or after Peter Angelos took out his ownership fee?

[backwardsk]

Payroll will be under $60M, excluding unpaid deferrals, right?