The Curious Case Of: Chance Sisco

[Tony-OH]

25 minutes ago, Philip said:

@Tony-OH

So who is our best defensive catching guy in the minors? Someone said Maverick, you briefly mentioned Cumberland? 

Rutschman overall, but Maverick is second for me. Cumberland is not awful defensively but he's not a good defender either.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

Rutschman overall, but Maverick is second for me. Cumberland is not awful defensively but he's not a good defender either.

If Cumberland was a plus glove guy you'd have him much higher on the prospect list.

[HowAboutThat]

7 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Rutschman overall, but Maverick is second for me. Cumberland is not awful defensively but he's not a good defender either.

Well, yes, I was kind of setting AR aside as a given, and asking about the other guys we might Call up. I don’t expect to see Adley before next season, even for a cup of coffee.

I read Luke’s scouting report on Cumberland, which was mildly negative about his defense, and God knows we’ve got enough “mild negatives” in our current catchers, so I’d prefer Maverick... and who doesn’t love a guy named Maverick??

Edited May 29, 2021 by Philip

[Legend_Of_Joey]

5 minutes ago, Philip said:

Well, yes, I was kind of setting AR aside as a given, and asking about the other guys we might Cally up. I don’t expect to see Adley before next season, even for a cup of coffee.

I read Luke’s scouting report on Cumberland, which was mildly negative about his defense, and God knows we’ve got enough “mild negatives” in our current catchers, so I’d prefer Maverick... and who doesn’t love a guy named Maverick??

I think the best defensive catchers, per affiliate are: Wynns, Rutschman, Handley, Cannon.

If I remember correctly, Cumberland was regard as a good hitter and that it was unknown when he was acquired from Atlanta if he would even stay behind the plate.

[HowAboutThat]

2 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

I think the best defensive catchers, per affiliate are: Wynns, Rutschman, Handley, Cannon.

If I remember correctly, Cumberland was regard as a good hitter and that it was unknown when he was acquired from Atlanta if he would even stay behind the plate.

We have a catcher named Cannon?

Man, we gotta bring him up just for the propaganda potential!

[Legend_Of_Joey]

5 minutes ago, Philip said:

We have a catcher named Cannon?

Man, we gotta bring him up just for the propaganda potential!

Yep. Jordan Cannon in Delmarva. Might want to get to know the name, he's doing good things there.

[O's84]

1 hour ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Yep. Jordan Cannon in Delmarva. Might want to get to know the name, he's doing good things there.

He must have one hell of an arm.

[Can_of_corn]

10 minutes ago, O's84 said:

He must have one hell of an arm.

He's got two of 'em.

[yark14]

Something is clearly off.  I'm a big fan of judging players based on their body language...it shows their level of preparation, focus, and energy.  Sisco doesn't look like he wants to be there.  Drags his feet when walking up to the batter's box, shows no emotion or intensity while batting, and drags his feet back to the dugout after he strikes out.
 

At this point a trip to the minors won't do any good.  He really needs to watch and take notes from high-energy guys like Wilkerson and Hays that are proud to make it to this level..  I'm really pulling for Sisco, with his bat tools he can still turn things around if he lights a fire under his ass.

Edited May 29, 2021 by yark14
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[bpilktree]

12 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Play him 4-5 times a week for a month.

He got 22 starts llast August  and had slash line .246/.377/.816.  The next month he got just 12 starts and hit .175 ops .513.  Some guys just need to get consistent at bats to get timing down.  Now with that if you have two equal carchers basically and your not hitting at all hard for manager to keep penciling you in there.

 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

He got 22 starts llast August  and had slash line .246/.377/.816.  The next month he got just 12 starts and hit .175 ops .513.  Some guys just need to get consistent at bats to get timing down.  Now with that if you have two equal carchers basically and your not hitting at all hard for manager to keep penciling you in there.

 

It isn't hard at all when you aren't trying to win.

[BohKnowsBmore]

21 hours ago, maybenxtyr said:

There's no need to bash him, and your really did a nice breakdown for him. I believe in most organizations he would have been a career minor league guy. There was a need for him in Baltimore and he actually showed some glimmers of hope on occasion, but I think this time has come to move on. 

 

I'm not advocating starting Severino over him either. I'd run Wynns and Cumberland out just to get to the finishing point of the season. I understand that the catchers are not solely responsible for the lackluster record, but it's time to start making some moves as this is getting embarrassing.

Not sure I can agree with this. Given his relatively high draft status, minor league success, and prospect ranking, he would have made the majors on any of the 30 teams. This is not a case of a bad team elevating a non-prospect due to a need combined with a dearth of other options. He hasn’t turned into what we hoped, but he was certainly more than an org filler. 

[O's84]

3 hours ago, O's84 said:

He must have one hell of an arm.

 

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

He's got two of 'em.

Not fair, he already has enough ammunition. 

[El_Duderino]

I really thought he would eventually hit. Looks like I was wrong on that. I still think the constant yo yo and inconsistent playing time hurt his development.

[CHIP]

On 5/28/2021 at 3:20 PM, Tony-OH said:

Rutschman overall, but Maverick is second for me. Cumberland is not awful defensively but he's not a good defender either.

I am and have been a PRO Maverick fan since and during his time at Stanford.  With all the rain in New York, I was able to watch a lot of archived games of Bowie and Aberdeen.  I have also been able to watch a lot of Adley during his games at OSU.  I think Adley is a VERY good catcher while I think Maverick is a great catcher  So, when you look at overall impact of the player on the team based on the play at the position, I am very intrigued by your logic for Rutschman being ahead of Maverick defensively?  Again, this is a defensive question not an offensive question.

Comparing stats: 

In 2019, Adley caught 7 of 11 runners trying to steal.  63%.  He only caught 17 games or 142 innings.  He also had 4 errors.  Maverick in 2019 caught 19 of 30 runners trying to steal.  63%.  He caught 29 games for 249 innings.  He only had 2 errors. 

In 2021, Adley has caught 14 games/122 innings.  Caught 2 of 10 runners (20%) and has 1 error.  Maverick in 2021 has caught 13 games/108 innings. Caught 7 of 13 runners (54%) and also picked off 4 more runners.  No Errors.

Video/Body Language: 

In looking at the video this weekend of Adley catching and Maverick catching, it looks to be like Maverick 'steals' more strikes and calls for a lot of balls to be thrown into the dirt by his pitchers with 2 strikes.  He also seemed quicker behind the plate.  I was trying to find plays that Adley made that aren't expected to be made by your catcher.  I didn't see any.  Maverick has videos of him with defensive gems going back years both with Orioles and Cardinal.  Again, this is a defense discussion as there are offensively highlights galore of Adley.

I really feel like Adley gives the Orioles a Joe Mauer type player who will move to 1B to keep his bat high.  Maverick gives the Pudge/Molina type catcher who keeps the opposing teams Runs down but isn't a guaranteed out behind the dish.

So, again, I am very interested in your logic?  Because if my wife hasn't reminded me enough... just because I have a strong opinion it doesn't mean that I am right.