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Looking at Matusz overall, he's been very impressive

1) Low BB/9

2) High K/9

3) Low WHIP

The HRs are the only worrisome factor so far. Overall, very positive.

It's nice to find out an Oriole pitcher will have control of his pitches and strike hitters out. I don't remember any good pitchers recently on our team that would strike hitters out that was not named Bedard.

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ChaosLex Hangout Grand Counsel

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No. Tillman/ Arrieta/ Matusz are all pitchers. The Orioles need pitching, not hitting.

The O's also need a 1B. Make no mistake, I love Matusz and I hope he succeeds. However, I think Smoak is more of a sure thing. And considering 1B is a blackhole for the O's (especially if Tex isn't signed)... well, I guess you can see where I'm going with this.

Anyway, that'll be my last post in this thread. I don't want to threadjack anymore. :o

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Er... and one can argue that Tillman/Arrieta/Smoak looks better than Tillman/Arrieta/Matusz... which would be the point...

I disagree. The point I'm making is that our pitching predicament looks a whole lot better with Tillman/Matusz/Arrieta coming up than just having Tillman/Arrieta. With virtually no talent at the ML level, we need as many pitchers as we can get in our system. We seem pretty upbeat with Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta, Erbe and even Patton, but a lot of that optimism stems from the fact that we have three elite pitching prospects. Take, arguably, our best pitcher out of the equation and things are a bit more grave.

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I disagree. The point I'm making is that our pitching predicament looks a whole lot better with Tillman/Matusz/Arrieta coming up than just having Tillman/Arrieta. With virtually no talent at the ML level, we need as many pitchers as we can get in our system. We seem pretty upbeat with Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta, Erbe and even Patton, but a lot of that optimism stems from the fact that we have three elite pitching prospects. Take, arguably, our best pitcher out of the equation and things are a bit more grave.

Yes, and what I'm saying is that our hitting predicament looks a lot better with Smoak. We need hitting too, and it's not unreasonable to say Smoak will be better with his bat than Matusz will be with his arm.

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I didn't want Matusz; I wanted Smoak. But it turned out that I was totally wrong on that one. The pitching was terrible, only a lot of us didn't know it at the time because it was performing over its head.

I'd like to have Smoak, but Matusz is more important to this organization.

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Yes, and what I'm saying is that our hitting predicament looks a lot better with Smoak. We need hitting too, and it's not unreasonable to say Smoak will be better with his bat than Matusz will be with his arm.

I was/am the biggest rooter for a Smoak at #4 draft pick, but this debate won't be won/settled for another 3/4 years at minimum, unless the injury bug hits big time. That said, Smoak is going to be alot better player.:):)

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Yes, and what I'm saying is that our hitting predicament looks a lot better with Smoak. We need hitting too, and it's not unreasonable to say Smoak will be better with his bat than Matusz will be with his arm.

It's not unreasonable. However if both players reach their potential Matusz would be more valuable for what we need than Smoak would be.

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The AFL regular season ends Thursday, and today is an off day, so I don't expect Matusz to pitch again.

To put his 4.37 ERA into context, the average league ERA is 5.77. He struck out 27 batters in 22.2 innings, had a 27 to 5 K/BB ratio, and allowed 20 hits (.230 BAA). Only the HRs were any concern at all. I'm very satisfied with his AFL performance, even if he wasn't totally dominant.

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Well one could argue if we had Smoak we wouldn't have to pay 180-200 million for Teixeira...

I highly doubt the Orioles are going to be losing $200 million this winter, so we shouldn't be worried about that.

If Matusz develops into a number two starter, he'll be a lot more valuable to this organization than an .850 career OPS Smoak. With the fall off of Liz and Olsen, I can't see how you can look back in retrospect and still want Smoak. Even if we had addressed the issue at 1B last June, we would now need to spend our 2009 pick on a starter (Aaron Crow), leaving a hole open at SS. A plus first baseman is a lot easier to come by than a long term 2/3 starter, or a shortstop for that matter.

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I highly doubt the Orioles are going to be losing $200 million this winter, so we shouldn't be worried about that.

If Matusz develops into a number two starter, he'll be a lot more valuable to this organization than an .850 career OPS Smoak. With the fall off of Liz and Olsen, I can't see how you can look back in retrospect and still want Smoak. Even if we had addressed the issue at 1B last June, we would now need to spend our 2009 pick on a starter (Aaron Crow), leaving a hole open at SS. A plus first baseman is a lot easier to come by than a long term 2/3 starter, or a shortstop for that matter.

Yes. :agree:

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Yes, and what I'm saying is that our hitting predicament looks a lot better with Smoak. We need hitting too, and it's not unreasonable to say Smoak will be better with his bat than Matusz will be with his arm.

Yes, but it's not unreasonable tto say the opposite either.

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Well one could argue if we had Smoak we wouldn't have to pay 180-200 million for Teixeira...

It is pretty easy to make a convincing argument that even w/o Smoak we don't have to pay 180-200m for Teix.

But truthfully both are excellent prospects and as of now both look to have bright futures. Only time will tell who we would have been better off drafting.

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