Jump to content

Rutschman/Mussina

NJOriolesFan

By NJOriolesFan
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

DrungoHazewood Hangout Grand Counsel

DrungoHazewood

Posted
Posted
On 8/6/2021 at 2:22 PM, wildcard said:

I am with Tony on this.  Every Oriole that has had his number retired was part of a World Series team as an Oriole.   To retire Mussina's number lowers that bar.  I see no reason for it.

Mussina belongs in the O's HOF.  He deserves respect for being in the MLB HOF.   But he never led the O's to the WS.   Keep his number active.

 

So the Cubs should retire Jake Arrieta's number, but not Banks, Williams and Santo?  The Red Sox should un-retire Ted Williams' and Carl Yastrzemski's numbers, but retire David Ortiz' about four times over?  The Padres and Rangers should have zero retired numbers, correct?  Give Tony Gwynn's number to the next guy they call up to make a spot start because he never led them to a title.

Oh, and don't take any of this to mean I want Mussina's number retired.  I don't take as hard a line as Tony, but half a career in Baltimore followed by going to NYC doesn't pass my completely subjective threshold.  I just don't think a WS ring is a non-negotiable line you have to pass.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 58
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Tony-OH
Tony-OH

No, no..no..no.  and no some more. I hope Rutschman comes up and wears #35 and then has his number retired!  That would be the best case scenario. Without getting into everything with M

interloper
interloper

I think you should have to specifically go into the Hall as an Oriole to get your number retired here. Simple! 

Tony-OH
Tony-OH

Its ok, I have and will always have strong feelings abut Mu$$ina. I also can remember stories his brother used to tell about him back in the day about how much of a selfish ahole he was so that may ha

NCRaven Hangout Grand Counsel

NCRaven

Posted
Posted

Mussina's is the toughest case that I can think of for retiring a past Oriole's number.  Frank Robinson was here less time, but had a bigger impact on the team.  He helped turn a good team into a great team.  Heck, Mike Cuellar may have had a bigger impact on the team than the other Mike #35.  Mussina was never the best pitcher in the league, but he was pretty much always one of the best.  It seemed to me that he was willing to settle for being another Yankee pitcher instead of the "Man" on an Oriole's staff.  I wouldn't get my nose bent out of joint if they did honor him that way.  But, I'm not really for it either.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Catch 8 Major Leaguer

Catch 8

Posted
Posted
On 8/6/2021 at 11:30 AM, Sports Guy said:

Good argument that he was the best pitcher in Os history.  (The argument is based around peak/numbers as an Oriole..obvious Palmer is more accomplished and probably still gets the nod but I think it’s closer than Os fans want to admit)
 

That said, I don’t think he should have his number retired because he did leave.  It was PA’s fault but he still left. 
 

I wouldn’t hate if they retired his number but I don’t feel it needs to happen either.

First post in a few years--Mussina 97 ALDS was the definition of an ace.  Locate in, out, and spike the knuckle-curve.  He had at least three very good to exceptional pitches.  I remember him throwing the filthiest 3-2 change to escape bases-loaded against Texas (~95?).  It was terrible when he departed for NYY.

I only saw Palmer in the 93 Old Timers' game, and he wasn't that good :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

Frobby

Posted
Posted
Just now, Catch 8 said:

First post in a few years--Mussina 97 ALDS was the definition of an ace.  Locate in, out, and spike the knuckle-curve.  He had at least three very good to exceptional pitches.  I remember him throwing the filthiest 3-2 change to escape bases-loaded against Texas (~95?).  It was terrible when he departed for NYY.

I only saw Palmer in the 93 Old Timers' game, and he wasn't that good :)

Saw them both many times.  They were very close to equal IMO.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Orioles4Life21 Veteran All-Star

Orioles4Life21

Posted
Posted
On 8/6/2021 at 11:39 AM, Frobby said:

I don’t feel the way Tony does about Mussina, but I also would not retire his number.  He’s in the Orioles Hall of Fame, and that’s enough.  
 

Twelve people have worn that number over the years since Mussina left: 

Adam Plutko (2021)
Dwight Smith Jr. (2019-2020)
Brad Brach (2014-2018)
Danny Valencia (2013)
Bill Hall (2012)
Omar Quintanilla (2012)
Brad Bergesen (2009-2011)
Greg Aquino (2008)
Daniel Cabrera (2004-2007)
Rick Helling (2003)
Matt Riley (2003)
Josh Towers (2001-2002)

Before Mussina, Mike Cuellar and Wally Bunker (among others) also wore no. 35.

Fun fact:

Josh Towers has the best single season BB/9 mark in Orioles history.

He walked 16 guys in 140.1 innings in his 2001 rookie season for a BB/9 mark of 1.0.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Orioles4Life21 Veteran All-Star

Orioles4Life21

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, Orioles4Life21 said:

Fun fact:

Josh Towers has the best single season BB/9 mark in Orioles history.

He walked 16 guys in 140.1 innings in his 2001 rookie season for a BB/9 mark of 1.0.

Interestingly enough I just looked at the place where I first found this out and Towers’ season isn’t even listed anymore. Was 140 innings not enough to qualify? https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/leaders_pitch_season.shtml

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LA2 Hangout Grand Counsel

LA2

Posted
Posted
On 8/6/2021 at 4:09 PM, rudyrooster said:

List of Orioles whom have had their jersey numbers retired is a short one, as well it should be.

#4  Earl Weaver.     

#5  Brooks Robinson

#8  Cal Ripken Jr.     

#20  Frank Robinson 

#22  Jim Palmer

#33   Eddie Murray 

Interesting that all SIX of these Orioles earned World Series rings and all SIX have statues at the ballpark.           

ftfy

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LA2 Hangout Grand Counsel

LA2

Posted
Posted
On 8/6/2021 at 2:48 PM, spiritof66 said:

I don't see why winning a World Series, or being part of a team that came close, should be a requirement. The retirement of a number should be, IMO, a way to recognize guys with extraordinary (usually including lengthy) careers as Orioles players who meant a lot to the team, to its fans and to Baltimore. The guys whose numbers have been retired all meet those criteria. So do Boog Powell and Adam Jones, to take what are for me easy cases, among others.

 

I second that motion. But between the two, if forced to make a decision, it would be Boog.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • sportsfan8703
      2024 MLB Draft Chat

      By sportsfan8703 · Posted

      Picking at 22 and 32 we have a chance to nab some guys with resumes. Benge, Brecht, Honeycutt, Amick, White, Culpepper, and one of the NCAA C if we want. Hopefully we can get two of those guys when we pick. Developing pitching and keeping it healthy is hard. With our recent history with bats it might be good to keep growing them. Benge and White/Amick would be ideal. They could be real close to Bowie this time next year. 
    • Jammer7
      O's Getting Hosed, All Star Reserves

      By Jammer7 · Posted

      Hopefully, Santander is Tuck’s replacement. He is worthy, and his hard work should be rewarded if there is room.  Kimbrel would have been nice, but Clay Holmes, when rested and healthy, has much better stuff. I know the numbers are poor for him at the moment, but he is nasty. Kimbrel is a gutty vet who used to be incredibly tough. His selection this year would have been about his career and legacy. That is not a popular take on this board, so be it. Westburg and Mountcastle can use the time off. Both are supposed to be fairly banged up at the moment. O’Hearn is just another guy I would have loved to see make it. A grinder, who exemplifies the blue collar fan base of Baltimore. A great story, but mostly a platoon guy.
    • maybenxtyr
      O's Getting Hosed, All Star Reserves

      By maybenxtyr · Posted

      Outside of any of the "snubs" losing out of any potential bonuses, I don't care. I'd almost rather see them getting a solid break mid season anyways. 
    • AlbNYfan
      O's Getting Hosed, All Star Reserves

      By AlbNYfan · Posted

      I think there is a better term than "angry" to describe some of the O's. Anger seldom results in anything positive. Now, playing with attitude is another thing. GH is certainly the "King" of attitude on this team, no one is going to beat him. I believe there are several position players that show attitude in different ways. Pitchers?? SP throw 90 or so pitches. They can't afford to display emotions or they would be worn out much earlier. They also can't afford to have the "deer in the headlights" look. Of the O's starters, I believe CP is in that world at present. It's mainly an experience and growth thing.  GR, IMO, has approved significantly in that department over the last year. 
    • chipster22
      The 2024 Trade Deadline

      By chipster22 · Posted

      On close examination of Kjerstad today (July 7), I hope he is not part of any trade package. This kid is a bull, with power potential that is off the charts.  He runs surprisingly well and that throw to the plate from left was very impressive, if a bit high. I can see him planted in left field for a long time, perhaps in a platoon with Hays the rest of the year, but eventually full time if he proves able to hit southpaws.
    • OsFanSinceThe80s
      The 2024 Trade Deadline

      By OsFanSinceThe80s · Posted

      I like this idea better, but I am curious to what it would take to secure Mason Miller.
    • Chicago White Sox
      The 2024 Trade Deadline

      By Chicago White Sox · Posted

      I totally get it.  It’s a huge risk vs. reward situation, but getting someone like him (if he’s still strong) or Skubal could make a major difference come October for you guys over the next three seasons.

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...