Orioles farm system ranked no. 2

[Explosivo]

Baseball America moved us up again. Henderson is now in the top 100.

 

https://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2021/08/the-orioles-move-up-to-no-2-in-baseball-america-organization-rankings.html

 

Let’s all give Elias a round of applause on this one. From going near bottom of the pack to no. 2 is nothing short of spectacular. Add in that we don’t have any long term cement shoes of contracts at the club and Elias can really chart his own destination with this team. Amazing job by Elias and this should settle down the “we are going to suck forever” crowd.

 

[LookinUp]

Not trying to be a jerk, but this has been in the minors forum for a few hours now.

 

[Explosivo]

Ah, my bad. I keep forgetting that board exists. Either way, kick ass job Elias.

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, Explosivo said:

Ah, my bad. I keep forgetting that board exists. Either way, kick ass job Elias.

He’s done a good job building up the minors but we still need to add major league talent from other sources to become a competitive team.

[Explosivo]

And we don’t have any huge contracts to contend with to do exactly that. Geez man. Do you really think he won’t? Do you really think the clean up of bad contracts and costly players was done just to save some bucks or do you think it’s to free up the payload necessary to make a contending team a World Series bound bonafide playoff contender? Think it through you damn sad sacks.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Explosivo

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Explosivo said:

And we don’t have any huge contracts to contend with to do exactly that. Geez man. Do you really think he won’t? Do you really think the clean up of bad contracts and costly players was done just to save some bucks or do you think it’s to free up the payload necessary to make a contending team a World Series bound bonafide playoff contender? Think it through you damn sad sacks.

Yes I think he won't.

I don't think ownership will authorize it.

I think ownership's driving goal is maximizing their revenue stream.

We'll see.

[Explosivo]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yes I think he won't.

I don't think ownership will authorize it.

I think ownership's driving goal is maximizing their revenue stream.

We'll see.

We did exactly what you think we wouldn’t 5 years ago but now, naw we won’t. Keep thinking that, but please take note when we do. I’ll make sure to remind you in two years. Look I get that you hate ownership, but you are letting it cloud your judgement with respect to what Elias is creating in front of your eyes. Don’t be blind to the greatest rebuild the Orioles have ever seen or let the past be an indicator on future action. Not in this instance. Not in the slightest.

[Frobby]

16 minutes ago, Explosivo said:

And we don’t have any huge contracts to contend with to do exactly that. Geez man. Do you really think he won’t? Do you really think the clean up of bad contracts and costly players was done just to save some bucks or do you think it’s to free up the payload necessary to make a contending team a World Series bound bonafide playoff contender? Think it through you damn sad sacks.

I hope he does.  Will he be good at it?   That is untested.   I’m far from an Elias-basher, but he hasn’t found too many major league nuggets to date.   I’m not saying he can’t do it, just that he hasn’t proven he can.   

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Explosivo said:

We did exactly what you think we wouldn’t 5 years ago but now, naw we won’t. Keep thinking that, but please take note when we do. I’ll make sure to remind you in two years. Look I get that you hate ownership, but you are letting it cloud your judgement with respect to what Elias is creating in front of your eyes. Don’t be blind to the greatest rebuild the Orioles have ever seen or let the past be an indicator on future action. Not in this instance. Not in the slightest.

You do realized that they have had a change in ownership since then right?

I never said Peter Angelos was cheap.  I defended his willingness to spend while bemoaning his choices to spend on.

I've seen nothing from the sons that indicate to me that they are willing to spend when the time comes. 

I also don't hate ownership...what would the point of that be?  It's their asset if they want to use it to make money why should I hate them for it?

And if you want to educate yourself on a great rebuild?

https://www.amazon.com/Wizard-Waxahachie-Richards-Baseball-American/dp/0870745565

[fitzi22]

There are 4 major ways to add talent to your team.  Draft, international, free agency and trade.  Theoretically 1/4 of your team should come by each of these methods.  The front office/ownership group have only added talent the last 3 years via draft and international market.  Free agency and trades take some guts and a leap of faith that they are unwilling to take.  Until that changes we are only building 1/2 of a team (and I’m not convinced this ownership group has the nuts to authorize such moves)

[Explosivo]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I hope he does.  Will he be good at it?   That is untested.   I’m far from an Elias-basher, but he hasn’t found too many major league nuggets to date.   I’m not saying he can’t do it, just that he hasn’t proven he can.   

All he has been seeking are stop gaps. You think he’s trying to sign guys now when he knows the talent that he has fostered hasn’t reached the majors yet? Why would he do that? The same goes for the new owners as well. The payroll doesn’t need to be spent. He has largely had the same results as 2018 with about half the payroll anyway. He had success with Tommy millone. He had success with Galvis. We are looking for players to play and trade or players with major league talent for a year, maybe two. Only stop gaps. You think he will continue with that mindset when we are a near complete team? Do you really think owners aren’t aware of that game plan as well? Yeesh.

[Explosivo]

1 minute ago, fitzi22 said:

There are 4 major ways to add talent to your team.  Draft, international, free agency and trade.  Theoretically 1/4 of your team should come by each of these methods.  The front office/ownership group have only added talent the last 3 years via draft and international market.  Free agency and trades take some guts and a leap of faith that they are unwilling to take.  Until that changes we are only building 1/2 of a team (and I’m not convinced this ownership group has the nuts to authorize such moves)

Again, we have done that already for the purpose of these two lost years. We weren’t going to be competitive so we are looking for a different player than one we would be looking for with a team vying for the World Series. Please tell me you can understand that point.

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, Explosivo said:

All he has been seeking are stop gaps. You think he’s trying to sign guys now when he knows the talent that he has fostered hasn’t reached the majors yet? Why would he do that? The same goes for the new owners as well. The payroll doesn’t need to be spent. He has largely had the same results as 2018 with about half the payroll anyway. He had success with Tommy millone. He had success with Galvis. We are looking for players to play and trade or players with major league talent for a year, maybe two. Only stop gaps. You think he will continue with that mindset when we are a near complete team? Do you really think owners aren’t aware of that game plan as well? Yeesh.

I do not expect him to have a stopgap mindset when the time comes.  I’ve said as much.   I just don’t know how good he’ll be at signing or trading for major league talent and getting good value in exchange.   He’s essentially untested in that respect.  

[Explosivo]

Just now, Frobby said:

I do not expect him to have a stopgap mindset when the time comes.  I’ve said as much.   I just don’t know how good he’ll be at signing or trading for major league talent and getting good value in exchange.   He’s essentially untested in that respect.  

I think you can look at his time at the Astros for that answer. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Explosivo said:

I think you can look at his time at the Astros for that answer. 

You do know he wasn't the GM right?