Orioles option DJ Stewart

[Teddy OBP]

10 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

In the scenario I outlined with Mancini also traded, Stowers would be in the outfield and Stewart would be the primary DH, so probably not a downgrade defensively.

I edited after your reply but before I saw it - not much different but figured I’d note.

I’m 100% on board with your scenario. I think there’s room then to figure out Stowers, Diaz, and Stewart, which is smart for the club going forward.

[webbrick2010]

Orioles are finally turning the corner on being an above average defensive team, why would we waste a roster spot on an all time horrible defensive outfielder? Bad enough when Trey gets an occasional start.

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Orioles are finally turning the corner on being an above average defensive team, why would we waste a roster spot on an all time horrible defensive outfielder? Bad enough when Trey gets an occasional start.

You haven't watched much Orioles baseball if you think he counts as an all timer.

[Just Regular]

As post trade deadline playing time goes, I think Vavra is to Santander as Stowers is to Mancini.

I don't imagine any other Club will value 2022 Odor higher than this one.

[MurphDogg]

35 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Orioles are finally turning the corner on being an above average defensive team, why would we waste a roster spot on an all time horrible defensive outfielder? Bad enough when Trey gets an occasional start.

Please try to follow the discussion, he would be replacing Trey, not playing in the outfield with any regularity.

Also, he is not any worse than Trey in the outfield, almost certainly better, let alone an all time poor defensive player.

He was 1 out below average in 2020, per Baseball Savant, he is a below average outfielder, but he doesn't kill you out there.

[MurphDogg]

8 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

As post trade deadline playing time goes, I think Vavra is to Santander as Stowers is to Mancini.

I don't imagine any other Club will value 2022 Odor higher than this one.

Vavra has only played 77 games above low-A ball. He is 25 so it is probably now or never, but he is being outplayed by Stewart at Norfolk.

[Gentile4]

2 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

Vavra has only played 77 games above low-A ball. He is 25 so it is probably now or never, but he is being outplayed by Stewart at Norfolk.

That may be true, but we know what we have in Stewart, and it's not a pretty sight. I'd like to see Vavra and Stowers up for some extended playing time, and it doesn't even have to be at the same time.  I'm happy Stewart's having success in AAA, but I don't need to see him again.

[Teddy OBP]

2 hours ago, Gentile4 said:

That may be true, but we know what we have in Stewart, and it's not a pretty sight. I'd like to see Vavra and Stowers up for some extended playing time, and it doesn't even have to be at the same time.  I'm happy Stewart's having success in AAA, but I don't need to see him again.

Defensively not pretty but that can improve with regular playing time. His only long healthy stretch he played pretty well. I’m not sure we know what we have in Stewart yet. There were a lot of people quitting on oft-injured Hays too.

[Aristotelian]

I would be inclined to trade Stewart *and* Mancini.

[Gentile4]

Did DJ get hurt today? Stowers moved from DH to RF and Stewart left the game.

[RZNJ]

8 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

Vavra has only played 77 games above low-A ball. He is 25 so it is probably now or never, but he is being outplayed by Stewart at Norfolk.

I care about who translates better at the ML level.  We could send Ryan "golden sombrero" McKenna  down and put up a .900 OPS in Norfolk. That doesn't make him our best starting OF option down there.

[RZNJ]

19 minutes ago, Gentile4 said:

Did DJ get hurt today? Stowers moved from DH to RF and Stewart left the game.

That's a good guess. Even AAA managers don't like to lose the DH spot.

Stewart and Diaz must have the same personal trainer.

[wildcard]

9 hours ago, Just Regular said:

As post trade deadline playing time goes, I think Vavra is to Santander as Stowers is to Mancini.

I don't imagine any other Club will value 2022 Odor higher than this one.

Might help the OBP but the power will take a hit.

[Jammer7]

10 hours ago, MurphDogg said:

Vavra has only played 77 games above low-A ball. He is 25 so it is probably now or never, but he is being outplayed by Stewart at Norfolk.

I’m curious, why is it now or never for Vavra at age 25? You note that Stewart has been hitting well at Norfolk lately, and he is 28 years of age with no real defensive value. I will counter that McKenna hit even better than Stewart in AAA, and he can actually play an above average OF. I think Stewart’s numbers are more a function that it is an even bigger gap between AAA and MLB than in years past. 

I hope Stewart goes elsewhere and has some kind of major league career. He has had many opportunities with the Orioles with everyday play. He just did not make it here. In my opinion, he’s a step back in every way. There is a reason that no other team took him off waivers. 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

I’m curious, why is it now or never for Vavra at age 25? You note that Stewart has been hitting well at Norfolk lately, and he is 28 years of age with no real defensive value. I will counter that McKenna hit even better than Stewart in AAA, and he can actually play an above average OF. I think Stewart’s numbers are more a function that it is an even bigger gap between AAA and MLB than in years past. 

I hope Stewart goes elsewhere and has some kind of major league career. He has had many opportunities with the Orioles with everyday play. He just did not make it here. In my opinion, he’s a step back in every way. There is a reason that no other team took him off waivers. 

I'm not arguing for Stewart getting another chance, frankly I'd rather see Diaz before he gets hurt again.

But I don't think you can make a case that he had "many opportunities...with everyday play.".

He's had 622 plate appearances over five seasons.