Soto to Padres

[jabba72]

19 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Nats got a really package back. Heck, Abrams might be the worse one of the group and he's a 6th overall pick.

I agree, if I was a Nats fan I'd be thrilled with what they got back. 

[backwardsk]

19 hours ago, yark14 said:

Hassell and Wood could the the foundation for a really, really good outfield for several years.

They could both hit and still end up being the 3rd and 4th OF if Green and Vaquero reach their potential.

[RZNJ]

On 8/3/2022 at 4:16 PM, yark14 said:

Hassell and Wood could the the foundation for a really, really good outfield for several years.

The lower the players are in the minors, the shinier they look.  We'll see.

[Sports Guy]

The Nats got a great package but the reality is that it’s likely SD wins this trade.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

The Nats got a great package but the reality is that it’s likely SD wins this trade.

Team is for sale and they just took a large section of payroll off the books.

So I think it depends on what you consider a win.

[backwardsk]

19 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

The Nats got a great package but the reality is that it’s likely SD wins this trade.

Depends on how you want to score it. If Soto leaves after 2024 and you count his WAR for the next 2+ seasons and Bell’s remaining season, I’d take the bet on the 28-30 years of prospects.  
 

If SD wins a WS in the next three postseasons, it doesn’t really matter the WAR comparison.

If Soto doesn’t hit FA, then the rest of his seasons should count and I could easily see him outperforming everyone they gave up.  
 

If Soto hits FA and returns to SD, I don’t think you count the future WAR.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, backwardsk said:

Depends on how you want to score it. If Soto leaves after 2024 and you count his WAR for the next 2+ seasons and Bell’s remaining season, I’d take the bet on the 28-30 years of prospects.  
 

If SD wins a WS in the next three postseasons, it doesn’t really matter the WAR comparison.

If Soto doesn’t hit FA, then the rest of his seasons should count and I could easily see him outperforming everyone they gave up.  
 

If Soto hits FA and returns to SD, I don’t think you count the future WAR.

To me the fair way to judge it is measuring the excess value generated while under initial team control.

Extensions don't count as the player could have been acquired as a free agent.

Of course that is only showing the direct on the field impact.

Padres had 4K ticket sales for the first game after the trades.

[Frobby]

5 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

The Nats got a great package but the reality is that it’s likely SD wins this trade.

I think it’s a win-win.  The Nats were a .340 team with Soto and had a horrible farm system.  They weren’t going to win in his remaining Arb years.  Now they’ve got a great foundation for a rebuild that shouldn’t take as long as the Orioles’ because they maxed out their return on Soto rather than waiting too long like we did with Manny.  Meanwhile, SD has three superstars in their prime, two of whom are locked up for 6+ years and Soto can help them for three straight postseasons.  More, if they can extend  him.  Should be a fun few years for their fans, and maybe longer. 

[backwardsk]

10 hours ago, Frobby said:

I think it’s a win-win.  The Nats were a .340 team with Soto and had a horrible farm system.  They weren’t going to win in his remaining Arb years.  Now they’ve got a great foundation for a rebuild that shouldn’t take as long as the Orioles’ because they maxed out their return on Soto rather than waiting too long like we did with Manny.  Meanwhile, SD has three superstars in their prime, two of whom are locked up for 6+ years and Soto can help them for three straight postseasons.  More, if they can extend  him.  Should be a fun few years for their fans, and maybe longer. 

Only slight quibble with that is Manny has an opt out after next season.  I think he’s owed 5/160 going into his age 31 season.  I think it’s entirely possible for him to do that.

I think there is a lot of pressure on Preller to win over these next two seasons.  Their starters, with the exception of Musgrove, aren’t controlled beyond 2023.

[Frobby]

On 8/5/2022 at 9:12 AM, backwardsk said:

Only slight quibble with that is Manny has an opt out after next season.  I think he’s owed 5/160 going into his age 31 season.  I think it’s entirely possible for him to do that.

I think there is a lot of pressure on Preller to win over these next two seasons.  Their starters, with the exception of Musgrove, aren’t controlled beyond 2023.

I forgot about the opt-out.  Still not sure Manny will go anywhere, though he might try to coax SD into an extension. 

[Just Regular]

The Passan deep dive.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/34371428/how-juan-soto-became-san-diego-padre-biggest-deal-baseball-history

It was new to me Padres owner Peter Seidler is the grandson of Walter O'Malley.

[Spy Fox]

They won the first game post-trade 9-1 but since then, an unsightly 5 game in-division losing streak with only 7 runs scored total. Imagine the panic on Padres Hangout. 

I saw somewhere that, given the bracket, their most likely World Series path would be through Braves, Dodgers, Mets, and then Astros/Yankees. Yikes. Well they've got at least one more chance to win a ring with the Soto/Machado/Tatis trifecta, at least two more if Manny doesn't opt out, and a lot more if they manage to resign Soto.

[backwardsk]

Soto won’t get to play with Tatis until 2023.  Tatis is suspended 80 games.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, backwardsk said:

Soto won’t get to play with Tatis until 2023.  Tatis is suspended 80 games.

A link.

 

[Il BuonO]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

A link.

 

You know you put this in the Soto thread?