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[DrungoHazewood]

12 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Always interesting to see the fWAR next to rWAR. The biggest difference is that I see  rWAR seems to value defense and relief pitching more than fWAR. Biggest delta between the two was Cional Perez where rWAR had him at 2.8 but fWAR had him at just 0.6 for a 2.2 WAR difference. I think fWAr is a little low on relief pitching because they Bautista at just 1.4 vs the more realistic in my mind 2.6 rWAR.

But at the same time, does anyone think Urias was worth 3.6 WAR after playing just 118 games this season and slashing .248/.305/.414/.720? His defense was good but not that good. 

 

The biggest things I see are:

• DRS/UZR seems to have a greater spread than OAA, so defense in general gets less credit in fWAR
• the FIP/RA philosophical differences in fWAR/rWAR for pitchers.  That's Perez. He had a 1.50ish ERA but an xFIP of 3-something and a LOB% of 88%.  I don't recall if LOB% is in fWAR, but his RA/FIP difference is big. Fangraphs says value is in your peripherals, i.e. you pitched like a guy who should have X.XX ERA.  Baseball reference says you allowed Y.YY RA, that's your value.  There's a little more than that, but basically that's it.
• May be some minor differences in leverage
• I forget if one uses 3-year park factors and one 1-year? 3-year is almost always better, but OPACY is a weird case.

That's probably 80-90% of the differences.  Bautista is like Perez, FIP/xFIP much higher than RA.

[Sports Guy]

It was announced today that Adley won the MVO award

[eddie83]

 I never got as fired up as some people about Odor but in a 5-3-1 voting system he received votes. Now they don’t specify how many, heck maybe it was one but for crying out loud. 
 

Bautista, Hays, Lyles, Mateo, Mountcastle, Mullins and Santander all did. 
 

https://www.mlb.com/orioles/news/adley-rutschman-named-2022-most-valuable-oriole

[BRobinsonfan]

On 10/3/2022 at 3:51 PM, eddie83 said:

 I never got as fired up as some people about Odor but in a 5-3-1 voting system he received votes. Now they don’t specify how many, heck maybe it was one but for crying out loud. 
 

Bautista, Hays, Lyles, Mateo, Mountcastle, Mullins and Santander all did. 
 

https://www.mlb.com/orioles/news/adley-rutschman-named-2022-most-valuable-oriole

And I was never as down on Odor as some people were. (I admired his hustle and overall presence) but I can't imagine giving him any votes for Orioles MVP.