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This is the most accurate thing you've said in this thread. You are right, Williams is EXACTLY the same, but unfortunately, the game and times have changed and passed him by. It happens to a lot of great coaches, and I know it's hard for programs to accept this, but unfortunately, it'll take an upset fan base and boosters to finally make the needed change.

Exactly the point i'm trying to make. And I love Gary Williams, but i'm arguing this on principle.

What was the #1 reason why the Giants were able to win the Super Bowl last year according to the players? Tom Coughlin changed.

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I haven't really check in here much, but I'm sure people were talking about Maryland being back when they won a few non-conference games.

Well, quite frankly, you're wrong. I don't recall a single post that said that.

BTW, just for safety's sake, I'm not starting any more game threads! I can't possibly imagine a worse outcome than what happened tonight.

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Beaner, one question. Since you've always been one to step in for Gary's behalf........ would you trade your Williams for our Williams?

Wow, tough one. Probably not, but that's only because Roy is a Carolina guy, and I always want a Carolina guy coaching a Carolina team if that makes sense. Even when Roy was at Kansas, he ran our system.

I can admit that as a Carolina Hoops fan for almost 30 years, i'm spoiled, and believe me, I know it and appreciate it. I try never to be disrespectful to any other teams (except Duke), and NEVER take Carolina's success for granted.

I do however think you guys (general Terps fans on here, not pointing out anyone specific) might have gotten a little spoiled with the two Final Fours. That's an unbelievable accomplishment and winning a title is next to impossible. Maryland under Gary made the Sweet 16 in ;94,'95, and '98 and the two Final Fours, right? He's without a doubt the greatest coach you've had at College Park, and at least deserves to go out his way in my opinion.

He's never been a great recruiter, and obviously never will be. They've had what, 5 McDonald's guys in his 20 years? Jones, Garrison, Miller, Rhodes, and Walter Williams...I think that's it. What he's done there over the years is terrific. We're not talking about an elite program historically, and I think some of you forget that. And that's because of Gary's success.

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Gary did an awful job of taking advantage of the 2 final 4s and NC, IMO.

However, for those of you calling for him to be gone...I hope you realize it will get worse before it gets better...and it may never be that good again.

I am not sure what to think about Gary anymore...I think he should go out on his terms but I think you can only take so many bad years and so many games where you blow it down the stretch.

MD looked terrific until the 10 minute mark tonight and then, all of a sudden, they played scared, were unorganized and seemed to be afraid. That's not talent guys, thats coaching.

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I think the reason the Terps have fallen apart twice in the last week is their inability to play a regular half-court game with someone. Certainly last night, we called off the press dogs a bit when we were up 16, and we allowed Miami to get in a rhythm offensively. I don't think we're talented enough to play anything less than an up and down game where we're forcing turnovers. Otherwise the other teams will be able to let their height and athleticism take over.

I did think Maryland tightened up, though. Williams was calling timeout after timeout, so you could see that he sensed it, too. He wasn't flying off the handle like he does on occasion. Still, our guys, other than Bowie and Vasquez, looked scared to do anything offensively.

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I do however think you guys (general Terps fans on here, not pointing out anyone specific) might have gotten a little spoiled with the two Final Fours. That's an unbelievable accomplishment and winning a title is next to impossible. Maryland under Gary made the Sweet 16 in ;94,'95, and '98 and the two Final Fours, right? He's without a doubt the greatest coach you've had at College Park, and at least deserves to go out his way in my opinion.

He's never been a great recruiter, and obviously never will be. They've had what, 5 McDonald's guys in his 20 years? Jones, Garrison, Miller, Rhodes, and Walter Williams...I think that's it. What he's done there over the years is terrific. We're not talking about an elite program historically, and I think some of you forget that. And that's because of Gary's success.

Maryland was definitely an elite program during the Lefty Driesell era, and it was recognized as an elite program. The Len Elmore/John Lucas/Tom McMillan teams most likely would have made a couple of final fours had it not been for the NCAA tournament's one-team-per-conference rule at the time.

Gary has had a great run at Maryland--he took a program in the dumps and restored it to national prominence, first making it a perennial tournament and frequent Sweet Sixteen team before the two final fours and the title. But the program has fallen off a cliff since then. The Gilchrist/Caner Medley/Strawberry team came with much fanfare but accomplished little, and the current Vazquez/Milbourne/Hayes/Bowie team is likely to make at most one NCAA tournament appearance (next year will be their best shot). We've settled into a being a mediocre NIT program that can get into the occasional NCAA tournament in a good year. That's not up to the standards set by Lefty or by Gary himself during his first 12-14 years here.

Meanwhile, Dino Gaudio has made Wake Forest into a national championship contender. Wake Forest is a small school in the middle of nowhere with much less basketball history than Maryland...our program has all kinds of structural advantages over Wake, yet Wake has passed us by. So I don't want to hear excuses about how Maryland can't hope to compete with Duke and Carolina.

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I thought the Georgia Tech game would get us pumped up for the Miami game last night. The team gets to go on the road for five days act like they are rock stars and relax a little. Everything was great when they were up by 17 and then things changed. Was it the players decision to slow things down, force shots and make turnovers? or did Gary tell them to do this? I am not choosing sides with Gary on this loss but his appearance of being worried in the final ten minutes did not help the team.

Can somebody tell me why Vaszuez would be allowed to miss the final two shots of the game? He missed a shot with less than 5 seconds I believe and then he gets to take another shot with time running out. Hayes should have taken the final shot or Milbourne. This is too much pressure for one player to be under and is not fair to the rest of the team. There are others on this team that can shoot. I've said over and over it appears Vasquez is practicing his shot at least a half a dozen times every game. Poor percentage shots! Can't somebody yell NO,NO,No when he pulls up and looks like he is going to take a bad shot? or can't they have a code word like POISON or GARBAGE?

One last thing.......can anybody explain to me why we end up forcing a shot when Gary tells them to slow it down and work the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds. Every time we hold the ball we seem to shoot from 20 feet or off balance. Isn't there a designed play where we get a player an open look with a couple seonds on the clock from 15 feet? I have not seen it.

Big loss? Maybe! I said we needed to win one of these two road games this week. If we win at Florida State it will be a successful trip and one that could have been great.

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One last thing! If we had won the Morgan ST game and last night we would be 14-2. Would we be complaining?
Of course not. What is this argument supposed to be saying?

If we were 16-0 would we be complaining?

If we were 0-16 would we be complaining?

We're 12-4. Let's judge the team based on what they've actually done, not on some fantasy-land conception of what they might have done.

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Maryland was definitely an elite program during the Lefty Driesell era, and it was recognized as an elite program. The Len Elmore/John Lucas/Tom McMillan teams most likely would have made a couple of final fours had it not been for the NCAA tournament's one-team-per-conference rule at the time.

Gary has had a great run at Maryland--he took a program in the dumps and restored it to national prominence, first making it a perennial tournament and frequent Sweet Sixteen team before the two final fours and the title. But the program has fallen off a cliff since then. The Gilchrist/Caner Medley/Strawberry team came with much fanfare but accomplished little, and the current Vazquez/Milbourne/Hayes/Bowie team is likely to make at most one NCAA tournament appearance (next year will be their best shot). We've settled into a being a mediocre NIT program that can get into the occasional NCAA tournament in a good year. That's not up to the standards set by Lefty or by Gary himself during his first 12-14 years here.

Meanwhile, Dino Gaudio has made Wake Forest into a national championship contender. Wake Forest is a small school in the middle of nowhere with much less basketball history than Maryland...our program has all kinds of structural advantages over Wake, yet Wake has passed us by. So I don't want to hear excuses about how Maryland can't hope to compete with Duke and Carolina.

You're talking about a 4-5 year run at best back in the 70s, although I do agree with you. It's not much different than my point of 1994-2001. It's a great run, but not in the realm of the Kansas', Duke, UCONN..etc, which have been good for 20 years without rest.

As far as Wake, that's a bit much. Prosser unfortuantely died recruiting this team. Getting Johnson, Smith, Teague, and Aminu set that school up for a nice 2-3 run at best. It's unfair to say Gaudio has made Wake a NC contender. Yes, for this year they are, but again, Gary had that for a few years, but you guys are looking for more consistency than that, right?

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Wow, tough one. Probably not, but that's only because Roy is a Carolina guy, and I always want a Carolina guy coaching a Carolina team if that makes sense. Even when Roy was at Kansas, he ran our system.

I can admit that as a Carolina Hoops fan for almost 30 years, i'm spoiled, and believe me, I know it and appreciate it. I try never to be disrespectful to any other teams (except Duke), and NEVER take Carolina's success for granted.

I do however think you guys (general Terps fans on here, not pointing out anyone specific) might have gotten a little spoiled with the two Final Fours. That's an unbelievable accomplishment and winning a title is next to impossible. Maryland under Gary made the Sweet 16 in ;94,'95, and '98 and the two Final Fours, right? He's without a doubt the greatest coach you've had at College Park, and at least deserves to go out his way in my opinion.

He's never been a great recruiter, and obviously never will be. They've had what, 5 McDonald's guys in his 20 years? Jones, Garrison, Miller, Rhodes, and Walter Williams...I think that's it. What he's done there over the years is terrific. We're not talking about an elite program historically, and I think some of you forget that. And that's because of Gary's success.

But we should be. After the national championship, the program got a ton of money and built a new state of the art practice and arena facilities. The Baltimore area has been a good area for basketball talent for years but unfortunately, it keeps going to other schools because Gary has either been unable or unwilling to get the top players from the area.

Maryland might not be Duke of North Carolina, but they should be an elite top 25 year in and year out program. I agree 100 percent the Gary put the program on the map for the most part although it can be argued that Lefty actually was the coach that did that for Maryland, but he's also the one that is running it back into an afterthought in my opinion.

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