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emmett16 Hangout Grand Counsel

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11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

So many factors to determine that. Mayo isn’t untouchable but there are a lot of guys you trade before him unless you are really starting to doubt his game.

Trading out of the depth you have is the first place you should be looking to trade.

I agree.  I’m just thinking like an outside org.  Of course I’d like to trade from depth.  But if I’m looking at the Os top 10, knowing there are a couple untouchables, he’s the first guy that would interest me.  

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I think a lot has to do with him being 23+.  The shiny new toy lost just a little bit of it's luster.  At this point I don't care so much about the rankings; I just want him to come up and perform.  

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I think Keith Law had him about there.   Reading the write-up, I think Longenhagen was influenced by the fact that Grayson’s stuff wasn’t as sharp when he returned from the lat strain.  Personally I’m

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Cowser missed another list or two.  Westburg had been shockingly stable, in the 60s or 70s, on every list of note put out so far iirc.

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

I don't see the O's trading anyone right now.   Maybe at the trade deadline they trade Gibson, Frazier and maybe Santander depending  on how the O's young players are progressing.   But its too soon to know that.

They are getting to a point where the 40 man will start being an issue. I took a quick glance at who needs to be protected by December. 
 

When the rebuild started there was a ton of players who were lucky to be on a 40. I recall the Britton trade where NYY dealt away a bunch of players - including Tate- who were going to be needed to be protected. I haven’t analyzed it that close but they may be at a point where they can package some of the excess for a piece or two late in the year. Maybe a bench bat or bullpen arm. Obviously they need premium talent to get a top shelf arm. 

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Just now, Sports Guy said:

Servideo isn’t even on the radar of being added. I think Haskin is dealt between now and next offseason.

My point is those are the type of players to be dealt at the deadline. Not implying Servideo is up and coming. There is much less dead weight around here. 
 

Makes sense to move those guys and see what you can get. Not saying once again it’s for impactful talent. 

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1 hour ago, eddie83 said:

My point is those are the type of players to be dealt at the deadline. Not implying Servideo is up and coming. There is much less dead weight around here. 
 

Makes sense to move those guys and see what you can get. Not saying once again it’s for impactful talent. 

I still think we have a lot of dead weight on the 40 man.

That said, this is what I have been talking about for a while. At some point, you are going to start losing decent players for nothing. That was part of the reason the Hernaiz trade was so good.

You have to move pieces before they have zero value. You can’t just assume everyone ends up good.

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8 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I still we have a lot of dead weight on the 40 man.

That said, this is what I have been talking about for a while. At some point, you are going to start losing decent players for nothing. That was part of the reason the Hernaiz trade was so good.

You have to move pieces before they have zero value. You can’t just assume everyone ends up good.

My guess is we keep seeing moves Iike Bemboom and O’Hearn. They effectively are buying extra 40 man spots. The players if released have to be willing to give up their guaranteed salary to become a FA and if claimed then the money is of the books anyway. No need to keep 3 catchers on the 40. Plenty of infield depth around here already but maybe they do it with an OF type. Arms I think would be different. 
 

I would certainly expect to see a decent number of deals this year. Hopefully it will be for the benefit of the 23 club. 

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21 hours ago, Oriole1940 said:

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it is the Orioles.  Too risky for some.  Were it the Yankees, G Rod would be compared t0 the 2nd Coming.   

I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not, but FanGraphs doesn't really work like that; they are ruthlessly analytical, perhaps to a fault. There are 6 Orioles on their top-100 compared to 3 Yankees, with two Orioles ranked higher than the top Yankee prospect. I'm really not seeing the NYY bias there.

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I was scrolling through the FG Top 100 chat and found this:

jd: Are you able to identify organizations that regularly over-perform when it comes to development, and those that underperform? Meaning, taking unknown talent and making 50+ guys, or taking good draft choices and turning them into sub-35s.

 

 
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Eric A Longenhagen: I think so, and it creates a problem where I’m predicting vs scouting. CLE, LAD, NYY (arms, catchers), ARI (i’m starting to believe), SEA (arms)…

 

 
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Eric A Longenhagen: Dev is a huge deal and it’s part of why dollars have shifted from scouting to dev

 

 

Obviously, I was hoping he'd include BAL but alas... 

 

 

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4 hours ago, emmett16 said:

He is also one of the most volatile.  If they are truly in 'win now' mode they will need to make some trades. 

I'm convinced they're only mildly in "win now" mode. I don't see them giving up guys who project as cornerstones unless it's for a cornerstone return. Given the win now mode question, that's why I don't think it's "likely" that Mayo gets traded.

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

As a secondary piece right? 

You don't think Mayo headlines a deal for a "stud SP" right?

 

I think Mayo has to be a headliner (or co-headliner with a Cowser type) at this point from the O's perspective, but I doubt other teams look at him like that quite yet. That could start to change with a little spring training hype.

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