Umpire Scorecard Thread

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

If by people you mean the umpire's union and MLB.

We've had posters here that are opposed to changing it.

Of course I can't prove that they aren't members of one the groups you listed.

[RavensNOsGuy]

2 hours ago, ShoelesJoe said:

 

Conroy has been around awhile and always calls the outside pitch to RHB. He sets up way inside on RHB and thus gives a much bigger outer edge of the plate. A lot probably are not strikes but he is consistent. This is nothing new for him....

[dystopia]

2 hours ago, ShoelesJoe said:

 

That first one looked like an Angel Hernandez tribute.

[Rbiggs2525]

They say two wrongs don’t make a right. That wrong call in the bottom of the 9th to Jose Siri made the rest the game right. Kimbrel was really struggling to find it before that call.

[Bahama O's Fan]

2 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

If by people you mean the umpire's union and MLB.

Yes, and some fans too

[Just Regular]

I hope the Orioles are quietly making a Supreme Court level stink about the aggregate results.

Elias maybe wouldn't even have to tax baseball people - Rubenstein I'd guess has loads of people to do the quantitative analysis with a brief primer from someone on Sig's staff.    The persona he's cutlivating hints even he himself might relish some of that handiwork.

BAL-NYY have 9 more, and then maybe 5 more.

I haven't looked at the team level readouts since a few weeks ago when the two clubs were then pacing towards ~50-75 runs in imagined difference.    Certainly there will be moments, probably next week, when Cionel Perez or Jacob Webb barely throw a strike to Juan Soto or Aaron Judge, or Clay Holmes sinker ends up shin high to Gunnar Henderson.

[bpilktree]

4 hours ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

And yet people still don't want to go to a system that is more accurate

I don’t want robo umps but I also would like to see some accountability of bad umpiring.  Baseball is played with humans and umpiring should be done that way as well.  Umpires make bad calls just like players do as well.  Why not just have robo players too that won’t swing at balls in the dirt or outside.  Then we can play with robots in the field so there isn’t any errors or pitchers that can throw strikes exactly where they want it every pitch.  We could just play a simulated game with no actual running just swing tell us where the ball went and if it should be hit out single double etc.   The main difference I hate is lack of accountability if players mess up a lot they get released or sent down it should be same with umpires you not performing you get demoted either it taken off home plate duty or sent to minors.  I never understood why the umpires change position every game why not have your best umpires stay behind the plate instead of constant rotation.  Not every umpire is good at calling balls and strikes because people’s vision is different but can be good at the bases and knowing the rules of the game great.  If your crew has two strong behind the plate umps they should call almost all the games not rotate in bad guys.

[RavensNOsGuy]

6 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

I don’t want robo umps but I also would like to see some accountability of bad umpiring.  Baseball is played with humans and umpiring should be done that way as well.  Umpires make bad calls just like players do as well.  Why not just have robo players too that won’t swing at balls in the dirt or outside.  Then we can play with robots in the field so there isn’t any errors or pitchers that can throw strikes exactly where they want it every pitch.  We could just play a simulated game with no actual running just swing tell us where the ball went and if it should be hit out single double etc.   The main difference I hate is lack of accountability if players mess up a lot they get released or sent down it should be same with umpires you not performing you get demoted either it taken off home plate duty or sent to minors.  I never understood why the umpires change position every game why not have your best umpires stay behind the plate instead of constant rotation.  Not every umpire is good at calling balls and strikes because people’s vision is different but can be good at the bases and knowing the rules of the game great.  If your crew has two strong behind the plate umps they should call almost all the games not rotate in bad guys.

It is physically demanding being behind the plate, that is why they rotate.

[Malike]

7 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

I don’t want robo umps but I also would like to see some accountability of bad umpiring.  Baseball is played with humans and umpiring should be done that way as well.  Umpires make bad calls just like players do as well.  Why not just have robo players too that won’t swing at balls in the dirt or outside.  Then we can play with robots in the field so there isn’t any errors or pitchers that can throw strikes exactly where they want it every pitch.  We could just play a simulated game with no actual running just swing tell us where the ball went and if it should be hit out single double etc.   The main difference I hate is lack of accountability if players mess up a lot they get released or sent down it should be same with umpires you not performing you get demoted either it taken off home plate duty or sent to minors.  I never understood why the umpires change position every game why not have your best umpires stay behind the plate instead of constant rotation.  Not every umpire is good at calling balls and strikes because people’s vision is different but can be good at the bases and knowing the rules of the game great.  If your crew has two strong behind the plate umps they should call almost all the games not rotate in bad guys.

If you have the ability to make something better, you do it. The humans will still be standing there, but we'll get more accurate results than guys with a 77% called strike accuracy.

 

[Frobby]

6 hours ago, ShoelesJoe said:

 

I’m not surprised.  He was calling strikes 3-6” off the LH batters box side all game long.  At least he was consistent about it.  

[Morgan423]

15 minutes ago, Malike said:

If you have the ability to make something better, you do it. The humans will still be standing there, but we'll get more accurate results than guys with a 77% called strike accuracy.

 

Exactly.  I try hard not to dismiss view points and opinions out of hand, but all I'm seeing when I see supporters of human umpires calling the strike zone is a bunch of people saying, "I really like it when the officials severely influence the outcomes of games, instead of the results being 100% determined by the players." 

Because that's what that is. 

[DrungoHazewood]

4 hours ago, bpilktree said:

I don’t want robo umps but I also would like to see some accountability of bad umpiring.  Baseball is played with humans and umpiring should be done that way as well.  Umpires make bad calls just like players do as well.  Why not just have robo players too that won’t swing at balls in the dirt or outside.  Then we can play with robots in the field so there isn’t any errors or pitchers that can throw strikes exactly where they want it every pitch.  We could just play a simulated game with no actual running just swing tell us where the ball went and if it should be hit out single double etc.   The main difference I hate is lack of accountability if players mess up a lot they get released or sent down it should be same with umpires you not performing you get demoted either it taken off home plate duty or sent to minors.  I never understood why the umpires change position every game why not have your best umpires stay behind the plate instead of constant rotation.  Not every umpire is good at calling balls and strikes because people’s vision is different but can be good at the bases and knowing the rules of the game great.  If your crew has two strong behind the plate umps they should call almost all the games not rotate in bad guys.

I like my baseball decided by the players, not by the missed calls of umpires who aren't given the best available tools to do their job better because of some misguided idea that that takes away from the human element of the game.

Quite obviously it's a strawman to suggest that if we give umps better tools to call balls and strikes we might as well have R2D2 and C3PO playing Strat-O-Matic instead of real baseball games.

How is the game going to be worse if the home plate ump has a little buzzer that verifies if each pitch is a ball or strike in real time? If they implemented that and didn't tell us we'd never know, except that we'd get suspicious that the balls and strikes were essentially always right and we'd never seen that before.

[ShoelesJoe]

4 hours ago, bpilktree said:

Baseball is played with humans and umpiring should be done that way as well.  

Why?

Players, managers, and coaches are part of the game. Umpires are not. Umpires are a necessary evil, and no more a part of the actual game than the beer guy in the club level, or the lady scanning e-tickets on your phone as you enter the park. The human factor in baseball should be limited to players, managers, and coaches and nobody else. Their perfections / imperfections are the source of our enjoyment and amazement, not the umpire who doesn't know or care what the rule book strike zone is, or still have the ability to call it as such. 

There's never been a football fan who wished referees could just make up their own first down yardage rather than use the sticks with markers on the sideline. Imagine some ref telling the league that his first downs were 10 1/2 yards, while the next week's ref had them at 9 1/2 yards. How long would that fly? Ten seconds? Less? Football officials have a simple measuring tool on the sideline that tells everybody exactly how much further a team needs to go to get that next first down. That tool isn't controversial and never has been, and no referees have ever complained that having that tool reduces their influence on the game. 

An electronic strike zone for balls and strikes would do the same thing for baseball that the first down markers do for football. It would help umpires do their job, and reduce (or even eliminate) the impact of their mistakes and incompetence. So long as the technology is practical (and it is) MLB shouldn't hesitate to implement it. 

[Just Regular]

Another step closer as the league now giving 100% run to the option people like better starting next week.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40377474/abs-challenge-system-set-used-triple-starting-june-25

Today and next two days sound like end of the line for full ABS withholding some valuable extra strikes on Chayce McDermott's nasty breaking pitches.

[Matty2D]

I can't wait for the scorecard for this one. Through my orange colored glasses this game was pretty one sided.