Gunnar Henderson 2023

[Billy F-Face3]

Gunnar isn't going to face the types of Left Handed Pitchers in AAA like he faces in the major leagues. Like that one broadcaster during the game was saying, there's not that many of them in the minor leagues because those types of pitchers are more valuable in the majors (they are more rare). He needs this experience in order to continue to develop to his full potential. And as things are, he's still getting on base and contributing to the team and scoring runs.

[DirtyBird]

5 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Gunnar isn't going to face the types of Left Handed Pitchers in AAA like he faces in the major leagues. Like that one broadcaster during the game was saying, there's not that many of them in the minor leagues because those types of pitchers are more valuable in the majors (they are more rare). He needs this experience in order to continue to develop to his full potential. And as things are, he's still getting on base and contributing to the team and scoring runs.

He didn’t hit AAA lefties either 

[Can_of_corn]

7 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

Well, he’s putting up better numbers than the ones that made Henderson a “top prospect”, which is a meaningless term when you perform like Henderson is right now.

He's three years older.

That makes a huge difference.

If you were a GM and could acquire one of the two are you saying you'd choose Westburg?

[Jagwar]

7 hours ago, Dibbs31 said:

Gotcha. Our world series chances hinge on Gunnar vs. Jordan. 

Probably not, but those chances are likely improved if Westburg is promoted to share time with Gunnar in the lineup. Maybe by giving up on the carry 3 catchers nonsense.

[seak05]

The vent diagram overlap of people clamoring for more stowers at bats, and gunnar to be sent down, is an interesting one

[DirtyBird]

17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He's three years older.

That makes a huge difference.

If you were a GM and could acquire one of the two are you saying you'd choose Westburg?

Who cares? How is that relevant to putting our best team on the field today?

[Can_of_corn]

16 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Who cares? How is that relevant to putting our best team on the field today?

Because you are comparing player A who is three years older, and playing at a lower level than player B.

These things make a huge difference.

If they had a 30 year old putting up huge numbers in A ball would you want them up?

[DirtyBird]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Because you are comparing player A who is three years older, and playing at a lower level than player B.

These things make a huge difference.

If they had a 30 year old putting up huge numbers in A ball would you want them up?

Why would a 30 year old be in A Ball? If they were, that would mean they are not a prospect.

Westburg, on the other hand, is a recently drafted top prospect who is dominating the AAA level, while Henderson is struggling badly on a team that is playing like a contender to win the toughest division in baseball.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Why would a 30 year old be in A Ball? If they were, that would mean they are not a prospect.

Westburg, on the other hand, is a recently drafted top prospect who is dominating the AAA level, while Henderson is struggling badly on a team that is playing like a contender to win the toughest division in baseball.

Because it's a thought exercise.

When comparing Westburg and Henderson you have to factor in their age and level of competition.  Just because a significantly older player (and three years is a lot) is putting up better numbers versus inferior opposition does not mean they are the better option.

Lou Montanez put up a triple crown season in AA once, didn't make him a real prospect.  (not saying Westburg isn't a real prospect)

[DirtyBird]

12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Because it's a thought exercise.

When comparing Westburg and Henderson you have to factor in their age and level of competition.  Just because a significantly older player (and three years is a lot) is putting up better numbers versus inferior opposition does not mean they are the better option.

Lou Montanez put up a triple crown season in AA once, didn't make him a real prospect.  (not saying Westburg isn't a real prospect)

But I am not comparing their future grade as a prospect. I am comparing them based on how they would contribute to the current major league team.

We don’t know what Westburg would do at this level. We can see what Henderson is doing, and he is not living up to the hype. And the sample size of poor performance is getting larger, while the one that made him a top prospect is shrinking.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, DirtyBird said:

But I am not comparing their future grade as a prospect. I am comparing them based on how they would contribute to the current major league team.

We don’t know what Westburg would do at this level. We can see what Henderson is doing, and he is not living up to the hype. And the sample size of poor performance is getting larger, while the one that made him a top prospect is shrinking.

Well gosh, we don't know what Creed Williems would do at the ML level, let's promote him and see!

Yesterday Gunnar's OPS+ was 102.

He's fine.

I have no issue at all with promoting Westburg, but not at the expense of Gunnar, it's a process, he needs ML reps.

[DirtyBird]

26 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Well gosh, we don't know what Creed Williems would do at the ML level, let's promote him and see!

How is this anything like a top tier prospect with over 500+ AAA plate appearances?

If you have to have to use a hypothetical 30 year old in A ball and a 19 year old in low A currently to try to make your case, maybe your actual position isn't that strong.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, DirtyBird said:

How is this anything like a top tier prospect with over 500+ AAA plate appearances?

If you have to have to use a hypothetical 30 year old in A ball and a 19 year old in low A currently to try to make your case, maybe your actual position isn't that strong.

I'm just trying to show you how ridiculous your position is.

Gunnar is fine, he's in a period of adjustment that most players go through.

The idea that bringing up someone that is no where nearly as highly regarded and he's not going to have similar issues is unlikely.

It makes no sense to burn a 40 man roster spot to replace Gunnar with Westburg, it's grasping at straws and reeks of desperation.

 

[DirtyBird]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm just trying to show you how ridiculous your position is.

Gunnar is fine, he's in a period of adjustment that most players go through.

The idea that bringing up someone that is no where nearly as highly regarded and he's not going to have similar issues is unlikely.

It makes no sense to burn a 40 man roster spot to replace Gunnar with Westburg, it's grasping at straws and reeks of desperation.

 

Promoting a 1st rd draft pick (from college) from 3 years ago, who is currently posting an OPS of over 1.000 at the AAA level is ridiculous.

Got it. Thanks.

Who needs organizational management when you have Baseball America.

[Flash- bd]

Nick Markakis through his first 269 PA had an OPS of 698. Gunnar has 241 PA and an OPS of 744. He'll be fine. It takes time to learn at the ML level.