Im pretty sure Im in the minority on this board but its my opinion

[drjohnnyfever1]

5 hours ago, BRobinsonfan said:

If I were Draft Kings I'd be on the phone to Pete's agent.  "Now hear me out... here's the commercial.  'I'm Pete Rose and I don't always bet on baseball, but when I do I use DraftKings.com.'"

 

Yes!  That would fix 'em!  lol.

[Tony-OH]

3 hours ago, Ohfan67 said:

I hear you...Shoeless Joe would probably not have participated in the fix if he made 700k per year. But it's going to be messy for baseball. This just happened in football today: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/five-nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-leagues-gambling-policy-including-lions-2022-first-round-pick/ People can be really dumb. 

I just saw that and then thought about our conversation here. I agree, some people are really dumb.

[Pickles]

49 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I just saw that and then thought about our conversation here. I agree, some people are really dumb.

What if he was a complusive gambler and lost millions?  Still think he couldn't be swung?

[Pickles]

Just came here because Palmer just took a dump on the whole gambling thing.

[Moose Milligan]

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/36685120/ohio-halts-betting-alabama-baseball-suspicious-activity

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Ohio gambling regulators on Monday instructed the state's licensed sportsbooks to halt betting on college baseball games involving Alabama after suspicious wagering activity was detected on the Crimson Tide's game against top-ranked LSU on Friday.

The directive, issued by Ohio Casino Control Commission executive director Matthew T. Schuler and obtained by ESPN, prohibits "the acceptance of any wagers on University of Alabama baseball effective immediately."

 

[Frobby]

Wow, I wonder what that’s about.  

[Es4M11]

16 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/36685120/ohio-halts-betting-alabama-baseball-suspicious-activity

 

Was only a matter of time. But damn, I didn't think it would be that fast.

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, Es4M11 said:

Was only a matter of time. But damn, I didn't think it would be that fast.

I thought NIL deals would buffer against college sports getting corrupted.  IIRC, someone in the NCAA women's tournament said she's making more off her NIL deals than she would in the WNBA, there's no need for her to go pro.

But I can't imagine college baseball players, unless you're the absolute best of the best, are pulling in NIL deals the way basketball players and football players are.  So, maybe some of them are up for sale.

I'm assuming that's what that's what's happened here, point shaving/run shaving of some kind.

[Oriole1940]

On 4/20/2023 at 6:40 AM, sportsfan8703 said:

Alcohol is far more dangerous and addictive. 

Two wrongs do not make a right.

[Es4M11]

6 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I thought NIL deals would buffer against college sports getting corrupted.  IIRC, someone in the NCAA women's tournament said she's making more off her NIL deals than she would in the WNBA, there's no need for her to go pro.

But I can't imagine college baseball players, unless you're the absolute best of the best, are pulling in NIL deals the way basketball players and football players are.  So, maybe some of them are up for sale.

I'm assuming that's what that's what's happened here, point shaving/run shaving of some kind.

I'd agree it was most likely some sort of shaving scheme. I'd be curious to know what the spread was and when the suspicious bets were placed. Were the bets in question placed during the game, or prior? The linked story is not clear on specifics, and a quick search didn't yield the results I was looking for. I have some ideas what may have happened, but pointless to speculate further.

NIL deals are a nice thought, and certainly lucrative for some. I have to imagine the % of players profiting from such deals is very small in the overall scheme of things. Hard to shield the integrity of the game from the unscrupulous side of gambling when there is so much money being thrown around, and so many wanting a taste of said money. Things are going to get interesting over the next few years.

[Osornot]

On 4/21/2023 at 11:34 AM, Tony-OH said:

Perhaps, but my point is that the financial strains of players are much less than they were in the early 1900s when players were basically indentured servants to the owners. Also, I could not imagine in today's age of electronic surveillence that we all carry around with his in our pockets, that there could ever be a secret meeting where players discussed throwing games. 

I'm not anti-gambling. Even though, I'm not a big gambler myself, I don't have an issue with sports betting. I just have an issue with being inundated wit the advertisements to BET during telecasts. Since I believe in personal responsibility, I don't think I should tell someone what they can and can't do with their money nor should I tell someone how they should enjoy the game. 

I understand the income but my concern is about something else. Volume gambling.  There are many ways to hide and it doesn't have to be about money for the players but being pressured by certain actions/information that would be, to put it mildly, not something they would want in public.  Take steroids? take advantage of threats/blackmail.    

[sportsfan8703]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

I thought NIL deals would buffer against college sports getting corrupted.  IIRC, someone in the NCAA women's tournament said she's making more off her NIL deals than she would in the WNBA, there's no need for her to go pro.

But I can't imagine college baseball players, unless you're the absolute best of the best, are pulling in NIL deals the way basketball players and football players are.  So, maybe some of them are up for sale.

I'm assuming that's what that's what's happened here, point shaving/run shaving of some kind.

I don’t follow NCAA baseball, but the favorite would be the one shaving the points. Seems like a SP could easily just have a bad day. 

[glenn__davis]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Wow, I wonder what that’s about.  

I don't think you have to wonder very much.  The only answer is they have reason to believe that the results of the game are being compromised.

This whole thing is going to go nowhere good very quickly.  There's a reason besides pearl-clutching that gambling and sports were so separated for so long.

[OrioleMagic79]

On 4/19/2023 at 11:22 PM, Roy Firestone said:

I realize it's not exactly the same thing, but in EVERY baseball telecast, including nearly every Oriole commercial break.... there are not just ads for Draft Kings, a betting site...there are IN GAME references to odds and various gambling "chances"...

Which, to me, makes the entire Pete Rose saga and ban, seem weak and hypocritical.

Again, it's not exactly the same thing, but MLB speaks out of both sides of their mouth. And I dont care if Rose ever gets in the HOF. He broke baseballs cardinal sin.

On one hand, baseball frowns on against gambling as a threat to the sport, and on the other they gladly take the money from gambling sites as sponsors of their telecasts and the league.

I find it so pathetically hollow and contradictory.

I just don't understand why people think there is a COI or hypocrisy here. I think that is just a major stretch, at least for me. Anyone who doesn't have an direct impact on the outcome of the game is free to do what they want. The broadcast has nothing to do with the outcome, the fans (in person or watching on TV) do not impact the outcome of the game. It's the people playing the game and making decisions about individual plays, substitutions, pitching match-ups, creating line-ups, and managing rosters/coaching staffs/or other organizational personnel that could have a short-term or a long-term impact on the outcomes of plays/games/seasons. I could even see locker room, catering, transportation personnel being banned from it, so that you don't have someone serving spoiled food, washing lucky socks, or getting lost on the way to a game or taking too long to get the team back to the hotel on the road. But anyone that doesn't have access to players or personnel that could somehow impact the integrity of the games/outcomes should be free to do whatever they want to do as long as they conduct their behavior within state gambling laws/regulations.

Pete is a no brainer for permanent exclusion from the HOF, I'm not even sure what the debate is there. It was a clearly outlined/defined rule, and when he broke the rule, he knew he was breaking the rule. The consequences were also well known at the time. Thanks to the Black Sox scandal back in 1919, this was all well defined at it was made clear ad nauseum to all players/coaches that it was not allowed and that severe consequences would follow previous precedent. I'm so tired of hearing this tired story (I realize that you weren't arguing this part, Roy) of how Pete didn't get a fair shake and that he's "served his time," but my parents always told me "don't do the crime if you can't serve the time." Not to mention, it is painfully clear that he has zero remorse, particularly when he feigns it to get public support to swell again so he can reinvigorate interest in paying for him to make public appearances and sign autographs. Just this past offseason he sent a letter to the commissioner (publicly to ensure that it would make the rounds all over social media) and that helped him land an endorsement to "place the first officially legal sports bet in the State of Ohio at the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve." This guy doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy for any reason, and that's not even scratching the surface on unrelated immoral and illegal transgressions that people seem to overlook when they praise and plead for this guy. What a scumbag.

[Frobby]

11 minutes ago, glenn__davis said:

I don't think you have to wonder very much.  The only answer is they have reason to believe that the results of the game are being compromised.

This whole thing is going to go nowhere good very quickly.  There's a reason besides pearl-clutching that gambling and sports were so separated for so long.

I’m just really interested to see what the specifics are, when they inevitably come out.