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To me, it comes down to Westburg vs Urias against RHP. This assumes that Hyde will still choose to play Frazier at 2B against RHP, with Mateo moving to the bench and Gunnar at SS. 

vs RHP

Mullins CF
Adley C
Henderson SS
Santander DH
O'Hearn 1B
Hays LF
Hicks RF
Urias 3B
Frazier 2B

Would Hyde actually choose to play Westburg over Urias? I find that hard to believe. Nor do I think it's really that much of an upgrade right now.

This is the crux of why I think ultimately Westburg is really only here to play against this string of LH SP. I just don't know how he gets ABs vs RHP without injury or trade. 

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I just hope that Westburg comes up and has a couple monster games right away to force their hands.  Hit a bomb tonight, a couple doubles tomorrow...just crush it right away so the choice becomes obvio

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By Hyde putting him in the lineup.

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The O's put out a hype video this morning on Twitter for Westburg. They didn't do that for Ortiz. That tells me that the plan is for Westburg to play every day.

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Where? Over whom? I'm approaching this from what Hyde is most likely to do, which is continue to play Frazier vs RHP. 

It’s pretty easy to get him in the lineup. It’s a matter of how much they actually want to play him.

Thus my point. It seems simple and lazy to say it but it’s really all about that. He has hit righties very well, so there is no reason not to play him.

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Where? Over whom? I'm approaching this from what Hyde is most likely to do, which is continue to play Frazier vs RHP. 

We won't know until it plays out really. I know I'm pretty high on Westburg, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see why they would bring him up if he wasn't going to get starts.

 

He's above Stowers, Vavra and Ortiz in my book. This team is overly concerned with L/R matchups though so I don't know what to really expect.

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It’s pretty easy to get him in the lineup. It’s a matter of how much they actually want to play him.

Thus my point. It seems simple and lazy to say it but it’s really all about that. He has hit righties very well, so there is no reason not to play him.

....? 

Again, over whom? Lol. Urias is a qualified ML bat and GG 3B. Frazier will never die. Where's he gonna play? I just don't really see a spot unless Hyde finally relents on Frazier.

We agree on the fact that he SHOULD play. I just currently don't see how. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake...

He has to pull an O'Hearn and immediately hit, IMO, to get playing time vs RHP. Tall order. Because he has to either supplant Hyde's favorite player in Frazier, or he has to push a GGer to the bench. Tough. 

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....? 

Again, over whom? Lol. Urias is a qualified ML bat and GG 3B. Frazier will never die. Where's he gonna play? I just don't really see a spot unless Hyde finally relents on Frazier.

We agree on the fact that he SHOULD play. I just currently don't see how. 

I mean, I don’t see how you don’t see how. You clearly do.

So, it’s whether or not Hyde does it. We agree that’s up for debate but the how and the why are obvious.

As I have been saying for 2 months now, Westburg doesn’t have to play every single game. He doesn’t have to be a 155+ game guy right now. Maybe he will become that but as of right now, playing 4-5 times a week is more than acceptable.

It’s easy to get there especially if he plays any COF, which I suspect isn’t in the cards to start off with. 

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11 minutes ago, interloper said:

To me, it comes down to Westburg vs Urias against RHP. This assumes that Hyde will still choose to play Frazier at 2B against RHP, with Mateo moving to the bench and Gunnar at SS. 

vs RHP

Mullins CF
Adley C
Henderson SS
Santander DH
O'Hearn 1B
Hays LF
Hicks RF
Urias 3B
Frazier 2B

Would Hyde actually choose to play Westburg over Urias? I find that hard to believe. Nor do I think it's really that much of an upgrade right now.

This is the crux of why I think ultimately Westburg is really only here to play against this string of LH SP. I just don't know how he gets ABs vs RHP without injury or trade. 

This makes little sense really.  Westburg has a 1.034 OPS against right handed pitchers.  Why in the world would you keep that on the bench?  He's only a .675 OPS against LHP.  Playing him only against LHP is setting him up for failure, based on AAA numbers.  

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I mean, I don’t see how you don’t see how. You clearly do.

So, it’s whether or not Hyde does it. We agree that’s up for debate but the how and the why are obvious.

As I have been saying for 2 months now, Westburg doesn’t have to play every single game. He doesn’t have to be a 155+ game guy right now. Maybe he will become that but as of right now, playing 4-5 times a week is more than acceptable.

It’s easy to get there especially if he plays any COF, which I suspect isn’t in the cards to start off with. 

Of course I see how. But I also live in a reality in which Frazier was recently talked up by not only Hyde but also Elias. And we know how they're a slave to the matchup game, and how they ignore reverse splits. 

So - yeah of course I would play Westburg over Frazier vs RHP. But in no way do I believe Hyde will actually do that. And with Hicks and O'Hearn holding down RF and 1B, and Santander/Adley at DH.... I think we're looking at another Ortiz situation.

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This makes little sense really.  Westburg has a 1.034 OPS against right handed pitchers.  Why in the world would you keep that on the bench?  He's only a .675 OPS against LHP.  Playing him only against LHP is setting him up for failure, based on AAA numbers.  

I know that. Hyde doesn't care, is what I'm saying. They have a track record of ignoring reverse splits. So why do we think they'll start caring now?

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This makes little sense really.  Westburg has a 1.034 OPS against right handed pitchers.  Why in the world would you keep that on the bench?  He's only a .675 OPS against LHP.  Playing him only against LHP is setting him up for failure, based on AAA numbers.  

They kept Stowers on the bench vs. lefties in spite of him OPS'ing over .900 against them last year in Norfolk. So, there is precedent unfortunately.

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