FA starters available in the offseason

[Sports Guy]

Matthew Boyd (33)
Carlos Carrasco (37)
Mike Clevinger (33) — $12MM mutual option with a $4MM buyout
Alex Cobb (36) – $10MM club option with a $2MM buyout*
Johnny Cueto (38) – $10.5MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
Zach Davies (31) — $5.5MM mutual option with a $300K buyout
Jack Flaherty (28)
Chris Flexen (29)
Kyle Gibson (36)
Lucas Giolito (29)
Sonny Gray (34)
Zack Greinke (40)
Andrew Heaney (33) – $13MM+ player option with a $500K buyout
Kyle Hendricks (34) – $16MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Rich Hill (44)
Jakob Junis (31)
Brad Keller (28)
Corey Kluber (38) – $11MM club option
Clayton Kershaw (36)
Michael Lorenzen (32)
Seth Lugo (34) – $7.5MM player option
Lance Lynn (37) – $18MM club option with a $1MM buyout*
Kenta Maeda (35)
Tyler Mahle (29)
Sean Manaea (32) – can opt out of remaining one year and $12.5MM
German Marquez (29) – $16MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
Nick Martinez (33) – two-year, $32MM club option; if declined, two-year, $16MM player option
Wade Miley (37) – $10MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Frankie Montas (31)
Jordan Montgomery (31)
Charlie Morton (40) – $20MM club option (no buyout)
Aaron Nola (31)
Jake Odorizzi (34)*
Shohei Ohtani (29)
James Paxton (34)
Martin Perez (33)*
Eduardo Rodriguez (31) – can opt out of remaining three years and $49MM*
Hyun-Jin Ryu (37)*
Luis Severino (30)
Max Scherzer (39) – can opt out of remaining one year, $43,333,334*
Blake Snell (31)
Ross Stripling (34) – can opt out of remaining one year, $12.5MM
Marcus Stroman (33) – can opt out of remaining one year, $21MM*
Noah Syndergaard (31)*
Jose Ureña (32) – $4.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Julio Urias (27)
Vince Velasquez (32)
Michael Wacha (32) – two-year, $32MM club option; if team declines, Wacha has $6.5MM player option (contract also contains $6MM player options in 2025-26)
Luke Weaver (30)
Alex Wood (33)

 

 

This is the list from MLBTR. I post this because the discussion about rentals vs long term solutions should be had with all the variables and this is another variable.

Now, we know how cheap ownership has been and that is a factor here for sure but unless we feel Elias was lying, he said he had multiple multi year offers out for pitches last year. This will be another good revenue season for the Os and they should have some playoff sales to go with things.

While we will see McCann’s salary increase some and we will have some guys see arb raises, the Os stand to lose some big chunks off the payroll.

So, can I see the Os handing out a 3 year deal for a pitcher making 12-18M per year?  Yea I could and there are a lot of names on this list that could fall within that range, especially with all the competition out there.

For me, this is a big part of the reason why I’m only going for a rental. Whoever is available that could be under multiple years of control, I don’t feel they are that much, if any, of an upgrade over what we can get as a rental and then via FA, thus allowing us to keep our better prospects.

[IPlayGM]

Certainly seems like quite a bit of decent options. I would prioritize bullpen during trade deadline and upgrade rotation in the off-season.

[Bemorewins]

Other than Ohtani (who we are not going to realistically be in on), is there another sure fire TOR starter in this group? Some used to be, some have pitched close to that this year. But at those ages, to buy out on the open market, all of those propositions/pitchers appear to come with serious risk and/or they are not significant upgrades to what we have.

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t take any of them (obviously some are better than others. And maybe some will be able to maintain their current levels for another couple of years? But the ages of most are a little concerning to me. For example, while many more of these kind of seasons does Stroman have in him at that age? Will Ed Rod ever be able to duplicate this current season? Will the juice be worth the squeeze with Giolito? Etc…

I have the answers to none of those questions, I just hope Elias does. If he is even allowed to buy.

[Rbiggs2525]

Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Will not cost draft picks and legit ace stuff

[Bemorewins]

23 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Will not cost draft picks and legit ace stuff

Will cost real money though. Will Angelos pay?

[HakunaSakata]

57 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Other than Ohtani (who we are not going to realistically be in on), is there another sure fire TOR starter in this group? Some used to be, some have pitched close to that this year. But at those ages, to buy out on the open market, all of those propositions/pitchers appear to come with serious risk and/or they are not significant upgrades to what we have.

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t take any of them (obviously some are better than others. And maybe some will be able to maintain their current levels for another couple of years? But the ages of most are a little concerning to me. For example, while many more of these kind of seasons does Stroman have in him at that age? Will Ed Rod ever be able to duplicate this current season? Will the juice be worth the squeeze with Giolito? Etc…

I have the answers to none of those questions, I just hope Elias does. If he is even allowed to buy.

There's plenty of  other TOR starters on that list. 

Urias
Nola
Scherzer
Kershaw
Snell (potentially)

[spiritof66]

55 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Will not cost draft picks and legit ace stuff

Hard to imagine that happening, but if you added him, Means and G-Rod to the returning starters you might really have something special next year.

[Aristotelian]

3 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

There's plenty of  other TOR starters on that list. 

Urias
Nola
Scherzer
Kershaw
Snell (potentially)

Scherzer will take his option.

Kershaw will stay with the Dodgers if he doesn't retire.

Urias has 4.94 ERA this year.

Nola has 4.30 this year and 4.63 in 2021. I wouldn't call any of those guys "sure fire TOR" which was Bemorewins' language. 

Snell is close but has pitched >130 IP only once in his career. 

[Bemorewins]

40 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

There's plenty of  other TOR starters on that list. 

Urias
Nola
Scherzer
Kershaw
Snell (potentially)

I’m sorry. I definitely forgot about Urias. 

The others have risk for sure. I don’t view Snell in that manner as an elite pitcher. He has elite strikeout numbers for sure, but he is also the definition of a “5 and dive” pitcher. Rarely does he ever get deep into games.

Scherzer big time risk with the age. Same with Kershaw and Kershaw is almost a guarantee to spend time on the IL at some point in the season.

Nola is kind of inconsistent. Which pitcher are you buying? Is he the very good pitcher from last year with the great WHIP? Or is he the more mediocre/middle of the pack pitcher that he has been this year?

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Bemorewins said:

Other than Ohtani (who we are not going to realistically be in on), is there another sure fire TOR starter in this group? Some used to be, some have pitched close to that this year. But at those ages, to buy out on the open market, all of those propositions/pitchers appear to come with serious risk and/or they are not significant upgrades to what we have.

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t take any of them (obviously some are better than others. And maybe some will be able to maintain their current levels for another couple of years? But the ages of most are a little concerning to me. For example, while many more of these kind of seasons does Stroman have in him at that age? Will Ed Rod ever be able to duplicate this current season? Will the juice be worth the squeeze with Giolito? Etc…

I have the answers to none of those questions, I just hope Elias does. If he is even allowed to buy.

How many sure fire TOR even exist at all and how many of those guys are available via trade?

[Bemorewins]

2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

How many sure fire TOR even exist at all and how many of those guys are available via trade?

Sadly, probably none. Most of our probable AL competitors in the postseason have them though. 

[Sports Guy]

9 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Sadly, probably none. Most of our probable AL competitors in the postseason have them though. 

And despite your obsession with this, that only means so much.

There are plenty of good pitchers available now and in the offseason and we will be fine if we get one.

[Moose Milligan]

Gray will probably get a haul after the career year he's having.  But he's been remarkably consistent over his career and I'd take a look at him.  I'd also look at Monty, Snell, Stroman and Hendricks.  I'm not saying I have to have any of those guys, but those would be guys on my radar.

I'd take a flier on Jack Flaherty and maybe Flexen.  Two guys that have had good seasons in their careers and still might have upside.

[Sports Guy]

Keep in mind that barring injury or a trade, 4 starter spots are basically penciled in for 2024 already.

[panick]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Gray will probably get a haul after the career year he's having.  But he's been remarkably consistent over his career and I'd take a look at him.  I'd also look at Monty, Snell, Stroman and Hendricks.  I'm not saying I have to have any of those guys, but those would be guys on my radar.

I'd take a flier on Jack Flaherty and maybe Flexen.  Two guys that have had good seasons in their careers and still might have upside.

The O's should sign Gray just so they don't have to face him!