Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline

[Winter]

3 minutes ago, e16bball said:

Looks like they got…a couple tasty lottery tickets, but nothing that will help within the next 3-4 years at least.

IF Marco Vargas

C Ronald Hernandez

Two young kids who are presently destroying the Complex league with extreme plate discipline moreso than power. Vargas just turned 18 and Fangraphs seems to be highest on him (40+ FV, 9th among Marlins prospects). Hernandez is almost 20, and for that reason seems to be the (nearly) consensus lower-ranked prospect. 

MLB Pipeline has them at #18 (Vargas) and #21 (Hernandez) in a middling Marlins system, although that does feel low on Vargas for me, given his age and outstanding play at the Complex.

Elias could of easily matched that, imo we now know just about where he stands on offering up top 20 or so prospects for rentals. 

[OriolesMagic83]

55 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Awful move 

Looks like an Elias move.  The O's shouldn't have to give up a top 10 prospect.  Everyone is whining about giving prospects, this is who you get.  I hate to say it, but he would probably be the O's #3.

[OriolesMagic83]

27 minutes ago, Malike said:

I think GRod's start tomorrow is going to help tell us if he's going to be the guy we want him to be.

Not buying into GrayRod being a successful MLB starter based on 1 game.

[OriolesMagic83]

13 minutes ago, e16bball said:

Looks like they got…a couple tasty lottery tickets, but nothing that will help within the next 3-4 years at least.

IF Marco Vargas

C Ronald Hernandez

Two young kids who are presently destroying the Complex league with extreme plate discipline moreso than power. Vargas just turned 18 and Fangraphs seems to be highest on him (40+ FV, 9th among Marlins prospects). Hernandez is almost 20, and for that reason seems to be the (nearly) consensus lower-ranked prospect. 

MLB Pipeline has them at #18 (Vargas) and #21 (Hernandez) in a middling Marlins system, although that does feel low on Vargas for me, given his age and outstanding play at the Complex.

Wow, Robertson would have looked good in the O's pen.  Marlins gave up very little.  Not even sure what the O's equivalents would be.

[Malike]

5 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Not buying into GrayRod being a successful MLB starter based on 1 game.

He showed no consistency, if he goes 1 good 1 bad again, do you think they are going to trust him going forward for the rest of the year? He had 10 starts before going down, 5 good and 5 terrible. They want consistency, he's had 2 pretty good starts, a 3rd will show he's trending where they want him to.

Edit: This has nothing to do with him becoming a successful MLB starter, it's about winning games and putting the best people out there to do that right now.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Malike

[Winter]

4 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Not buying into GrayRod being a successful MLB starter based on 1 game.

i think he meant for the year lol 

[Billy F-Face3]

I just went through the list of each official trade so far in the baseball trade simulator just to see how accurate it was. With exception to the Angels overpay, and now the Mets fresh off the press... every move that has been made in real life was very close to what the simulator said within the margin of error inside just 1 point... and now the Mets trade was inside the margin of 3. The thing that was common in every single one of these trades was that the buying team was giving up the more points of value to the selling team, no matter how small or big. Of course, if you're selling, you're going to need that to be the case in order to motivate you to make the deal.

That tells me the simulator isn't that far off like we thought it was.

[Tryptamine]

You're all wrong, this was a significant package. The rankings you're looking st are severely out of date.

[Tryptamine]

 

[Roll Tide]

I’m sure Elias is going to make another move. You simply can’t get everybody.

[orioles119]

Bednar and Rich Hill to the Orioles - that's a move I'd like to see.  Hill is a bulldog lefty and Bednar is for the pen.

[waroriole]

7 hours ago, Winter said:

Elias could have easily matched that, imo we now know just about where he stands on offering up top 20 or so prospects for rentals. 

Apparently Vargas is shooting up prospect lists this year. An equivalent might’ve been Basallo. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by waroriole

[Sports Guy]

6 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

You're all wrong, this was a significant package. The rankings you're looking st are severely out of date.

It’s not significant. That’s definitely the wrong word.

However, what the Mets did was go after upside. It’s very possible/likely other teams were offering them prospects that were further along in their development that maybe carry less risk. The Mets decided they would rather have the higher ceiling.

Either way, every team has international FA type guys like this that carry high upside and lots of risk. This deal, along with the one for Chapman, is telling us that rental relievers aren’t fetching the higher end prospects.

[wildcard]

8 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Awful move 

Yeah, there goes Elias again making these stupid moves.  No wonder he has the O's with the best record in the AL.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Yeah, there goes Elias again making these stupid moves.  No wonder he has the O's with the best record in the AL.

Well first of all, he didn’t make any move and we don’t even know if it’s legit.

Secondly, Lorenzen doesn’t improve the team in the playoffs, which is what Elias’ stated goal is. So yes, it would be a poor move to trade assets for a guy that doesn’t improve us when we actually need the improvement the most.