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Pickles
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The fuss over the liftoff comment is so much ado about nothing. He meant the team was going to be entering its competitive period.  It in no way referenced money. Guess what? The team e

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I do agree with this point, though: “the ultimate goal here is wins and success and having a healthy organization. How much you are spending to do that – whether it is free agents or on infrastru

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Win or win the World Series? As fun as 2023 was I can't help but wonder if the playoffs would have gone better if the O's had done more at the deadline.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

You have no evidence that it would hasten anything.  They are likely to be sent packing either way.

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No but I have common sense.

The more money you spend on outside acquisitions the less you have to retain homegrown players.

That's just Logic 101.

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2 minutes ago, Pickles said:

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No but I have common sense.

The more money you spend on outside acquisitions the less you have to retain homegrown players.

That's just Logic 101.

It's faulty logic.

You are assuming that they won't be moved to maximize return and will only be moved when they are not longer financially tenable. 

That's not showing a lot of common sense.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's faulty logic.

You are assuming that they won't be moved to maximize return and will only be moved when they are not longer financially tenable. 

That's not showing a lot of common sense.

No, I'm assuming the Orioles are going to have too much talent to pay them all and keep them all well into their FA years.  Do you disagree with that assumption?

I'm not making any assumptions about when/why they'll be traded or allowed to walk in FA.

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No, I'm assuming the Orioles are going to have too much talent to pay them all and keep them all well into their FA years.  Do you disagree with that assumption?

I'm not making any assumptions about when/why they'll be traded or allowed to walk in FA.

Oh so you are looking at one factor and ignoring others?

Right, not much common sense there.

They are not going to make any moves based purely off of the cost of contracts.

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I think it'll be very interesting to see what happens today with non-tender guys. If we tender most everyone, I think that can be interpreted that we won't be adding much via free agency. If the Orioles save a few million today by non-tendering Mateo, Tate, and/or Urias (maybe a couple others on the lowest end, too) perhaps that opens up the door and some money to add for a free agent sign. I do think most of the potential upgrades come via trade. 

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Oh so you are looking at one factor and ignoring others?

Right, not much common sense there.

They are not going to make any moves based purely off of the cost of contracts.

WTF are you even going on about?

The O's aren't going to make moves based on the financials?  Yeah, sure.  

Ramble on more about common sense.

 

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No, I'm assuming the Orioles are going to have too much talent to pay them all and keep them all well into their FA years.  Do you disagree with that assumption?

I'm not making any assumptions about when/why they'll be traded or allowed to walk in FA.

These guys aren’t FA for 4-8 years(depending on the player). WTF does signing someone for 2-3 years have to do with that?  There’s no logic or common sense there.  

And who is to say they want to retain them or that they will be good enough to retain? Lots of things can happen in the upcoming years.

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2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

This isn’t even remotely true.

You can pretend the money "doesn't matter" or pretend to not understand what I'm saying like Can of Corn, but the Orioles will spend a finite amount on player payroll.  We might not like the amount; we might think it can be higher, etc. but that doesn't matter.

Reality is they will spend a certain amount of money on player payroll.  If you allocate some of that money to outside acquisitions, then you will have less to spend on the homegrown players.

This isn't rocket science.

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These guys aren’t FA for 4-8 years(depending on the player). WTF does signing someone for 2-3 years have to do with that?  There’s no logic or common sense there.  

And who is to say they want to retain them or that they will be good enough to retain? Lots of things can happen in the upcoming years.

Because ownership will set aside money not spent now to pay for guys later!

Because that has ever happened.

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