Corbin Burnes 2024

[Moose Milligan]

56 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Kremer promised us 200 innings

[Bemorewins]

Burnes was 1 pitch away from pitching 6 shut out innings against a scorching hot team who had won 9 games in a row in their home ball park.

Yes he hasn’t completed 6 in 3 of his 5 starts thus far. However, it isn’t like he has faced chopped liver for opponents. 

Also, we have won all five of his starts.

[Bemorewins]

12 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

How many of their games have been against the white sox and Astros?

You can only beat the opponents that you face. There is nothing (other than a mediocre bullpen) which says to me that they won’t have a very good team. Their 2- 4 hitters are an absolute nightmare to face. And they have pretty good SP. From what I’ve seen (barring injuries) they will be in the race to win the Central.

[Bemorewins]

4 hours ago, Safelykept said:

At least we were not as disappointed as KC fans were with thier Ace's performance

I care nothing about KC fans. Their perspective is irrelevant to me.

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Maddux had well above average K rates for his era.

Yes … but how he compare to Clemens or Ryan. I didn’t look! And I agree it was a different era but it also included the steroid and juiced ball periods. 
 

I think it’s possible for him to have a lower K rate as he matures and still be a top performer. 

[dystopia]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Not to mention it was a different era.

That said, Burnes doesn’t have the command or control Maddux had..simply put, maybe no one in baseball history has either.

Just because it was a different era doesn’t negate the point… it’s still the same physical game. Still 9 players on the field, still 90 feet between bases. If strikeouts are better because hitters can’t get dinky hits that way, that should be something constant unless something fundamental changes about the game. 

[Sports Guy]

5 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Yes … but how he compare to Clemens or Ryan. I didn’t look! And I agree it was a different era but it also included the steroid and juiced ball periods. 
 

I think it’s possible for him to have a lower K rate as he matures and still be a top performer. 

Ok great..those guys had higher K rates.  So what?  What does that have to do with anything?

and yes, it’s possible but he’s not likely to be as dominant if he’s not getting Ks or missing bats.  Now, he has been missing bats but not at some above average rate like most of his career.

He can still be very good but not elite, ace level like he’s capable of.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Just because it was a different era doesn’t negate the point… it’s still the same physical game. Still 9 players on the field, still 90 feet between bases. If strikeouts are better because hitters can’t get dinky hits that way, that should be something constant unless something fundamental changes about the game. 

It absolutely means something because there is a league average rate, which Maddux was well above.

Back then, 5.5-7 were average rates, depending on the year.

So, he was well above average.

And in that time, stuff like BA and putting the ball in play was more of a priority than it is now. So yes, it absolutely matters but yes, more missed bats and more Ks are always better no matter the era…and Maddux excelled in both.

 

[dystopia]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

It absolutely means something because there is a league average rate, which Maddux was well above.

Back then, 5.5-7 were average rates, depending on the year.

So, he was well above average.

And in that time, stuff like BA and putting the ball in play was more of a priority than it is now. So yes, it absolutely matters but yes, more missed bats and more Ks are always better no matter the era…and Maddux excelled in both.

 

Hmm, I wonder why. I doubt hitters just collectively decided to screw themselves over the past couple decades.  

[Malike]

10 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

Grayson has gotten 6+ inning in 75% of his starts compared to Burnes 40%

But yes, in grayson’s last start, getting a 7-0 lead and only throwing about 15 pitches combined between the first two innings, only getting 6 innings was disappointing. He wasn’t very sharp.

Through 4 starts, Grayson had gotten 1 more out than Burnes. 23.2 IP for Burnes to 24 IP for Rodriguez. Burnes went 7 but GRod hasn't, he's trash.

[Otter]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Not to mention it was a different era.

That said, Burnes doesn’t have the command or control Maddux had..simply put, maybe no one in baseball history has either.

Exactly, completely different eras.  And I've never seen a pitcher with the combination of elite control, command, and movement that Maddux had.  It's crazy to go back and watch some old videos and see the movement and command he had of his two seam fastball.

[Roll Tide]

4 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Ok great..those guys had higher K rates.  So what?  What does that have to do with anything?

and yes, it’s possible but he’s not likely to be as dominant if he’s not getting Ks or missing bats.  Now, he has been missing bats but not at some above average rate like most of his career.

He can still be very good but not elite, ace level like he’s capable of.

Like @Frobbysaid

“ Assuming 33 starts, he’s on pace for 194 innings at a 2.76 ERA.   I think we’d all sign for that in blood.  “

So if his kRate is 9.0 that’s certainly be happy. 

[Sports Guy]

21 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Like @Frobbysaid

“ Assuming 33 starts, he’s on pace for 194 innings at a 2.76 ERA.   I think we’d all sign for that in blood.  “

So if his kRate is 9.0 that’s certainly be happy. 

That’s his pace..if the Ks continue to be subpar as they have in recent starts, it won’t stay at that pace. 
 

Lots of good or bad stuff happens over a SSS.  Judging things off of that is poor.

[Flash- bd]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

That’s his pace..if the Ks continue to be subpar as they have in recent starts, it won’t stay at that pace. 
 

Lots of good or bad stuff happens over a SSS.  Judging things off of that is poor.

Isn't that exactly what you're doing? 

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Flash- bd said:

Isn't that exactly what you're doing? 

Not even remotely.