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5 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Well called it earlier in the season when I said he probably would probably be back on the IL by June. I believe my words when he came back were, "I give him about a month or 2."

I didn't even have him making it out of his rehab assignment.

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Whatever happens unless this just a set back of a week or two it most likely will prevent John Means from ever getting any kind of big payday.  I do feel sorry for him in that regard.  For three years

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He’s going to get at least 3 more starts before Means returns, I suspect, so we’ll see how he does.   On your last point, I think a lot of posters totally overrate the typical performance of a 5th sta

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I think it’s possible he would agree to be optioned, but he has 5 years and 7 days so being optioned for more than 3 weeks would cause him to not hit free agency this offseason. Once he’s optioned he

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B-Ref's portrait gallery today has him tucked between Grayson Rodriguez and Kyle Bradish on rWAR contribution YTD, but they are all behind Albert Suarez who I guess is the most direct beneficiary if the Orioles follow through using a sixth starter to help with the coming weeks.

I guess Means now is where Bradish was around the Super Bowl.     Conservative treatment and good fortune, I don't yet rule him out as someone good enough to have their September form monitored if he isn't in surgical recovery.

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I am not giving up on Means.   A little rest, some chewing gum,  maybe some duct tape.  I think he will be back.  His ERA is about 2.64 over the last two season.    Don't count him out yet.

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11 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

That's sad.  Maybe he's just one of those guys who, despite a lot of God-given talent, just doesn't have the physical strength to handle his chosen profession.  

Most pitchers don't, that's why they keep getting hurt. Means might be one of those cases where the surgery just doesn't quite get him back close enough to where he was, which would be very unfortunate for both him and the team. 

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Really sad for Means. Seems like a good dude. I think yesterday was the last time we see him pitch for the Orioles. Good luck to him and praying for a recovery so he can pitch again.

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47 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

Surgery is always a risk, regardless.  Last stat I saw was 83% of  Pitchers who had TJ surgeries make a full recovery and come back to pitch. 

This is why I am assuming nothing when Bautista comes back next year.

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I hope for a fast recovery.  He's one of my favorite players.  

Seems a little premature to think about trading for another starter.  Remember that we have Suarez stashed in the bullpen in case someone else gets hurt or Irvin turns back into a pumpkin.  

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3 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

I hope for a fast recovery.  He's one of my favorite players.  

Seems a little premature to think about trading for another starter.  Remember that we have Suarez stashed in the bullpen in case someone else gets hurt or Irvin turns back into a pumpkin.  

Can we at least give Hunt back and get a do-over on Baumann? 

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The most incredible Means stat is that he hasn’t given up a stolen base since sometime during the 2020 season which is over 199 innings.

in his career (400+ innings) he gave up only two steals, four caught stealing and 3 pickoffs.  Small sample size but still pretty darn good

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Again John Means is the product of being a decent pitcher on a horrendous 100+ loss team. People think he’s better than he is because of this. Similar to Cedric and Hays. These guys are replacement. With that being said, hope John the best but he’s probably done as an Oriole.

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3 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

Can we at least give Hunt back and get a do-over on Baumann? 

I'm fine with Baumann not being in the pen. I'd like them to upgrade his spot and Perez' spot as well.

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3 minutes ago, drjohnnyfever1 said:

Is there reason for hope that the initial IL is only 15 days and not more or is that just playing numbers?  Is there a benefit to putting him on the 15 day if they know its a 30 or 60 day stint?

No advantage to puting him on the 60 unless they need a 40 man slot.

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