Who will pay Burnes $400M this offseason?

[OriolesUpAndDowns]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Which is convenient since it's in the top 3.

From Wiki:

 

The Nats coming was such a bad move for us in hindsight.  Owning MASN means less and less with the cord cutting. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, OriolesUpAndDowns said:

The Nats coming was such a bad move for us in hindsight.  Owning MASN means less and less with the cord cutting. 

First off I don't think they could have stopped it so getting MASN was a lot better then getting nothing, which is what they deserved.

Secondly, the Angelos family grossly mismanaged MASN and still made a mint off of it.  MASN wasn't for the fans, it was a bribe for Angelos.

 

[OriolesMagic83]

19 hours ago, waroriole said:

I can see them pursuing him and I wouldn’t be against it. But anyone who thinks he’s signing for 4/120, or that there’s a big FA SP class, needs a better editor. 

4/120 might get you Fried.  I doubt Burnes is even listening to 4 year offers.

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, OriolesUpAndDowns said:

The Nats coming was such a bad move for us in hindsight.  Owning MASN means less and less with the cord cutting. 

It was never in hindsight. The Os were always against it. We had the numbers. We knew how bad it was going to effect the team.
 

That is why the MaSN deal was structured the way it was. It benefited the Os for a reason. That was essentially the compromise to having the team move to DC.

[foxfield]

19 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

If the Nola contract is the standard and even if it comes with an opt out you do it. You almost have to. This team is demonstrably worse without Corbin Burnes. It's not just his ability to anchor the top of the rotation in the playoffs. But it's also his ability to post every 5 days and give you the necessary length/innings you need to help preserve your bullpen.

I don't see a realistic scenario where we let Burnes walk and then do not sign another top level pitcher and are better next season. I know that I have stated this befofe, but I am not confident at all that Eflin, Rodriguez, Kremer, Suarez, and Povich is a rotation that will allow you to qualify for a playoff birth. And it is certainly not one that will have a good shot at winning the AL East. Tampa will have their real elite staff back next year. We can't afford to go into a gun fight in 2025 with a water pistol.

These two paragraphs are not congruent.  I disagree that the Orioles have to resign Burnes.  I think they should be in on him, but they don't have to sign him.

I completely agree that if they do not sign him the have to have another TOR.  I think counting on Bradish to return is a poor decision.  You hope so, but planning on it would be weak.  Same with assuming #2 status for Rodriquez.  His case is stronger of course, but still.  We have some depth IF we have a TOR and that should be Burnes or someone comparable.

 

[foxfield]

19 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

This is a very inaccurate statement. The Yankees aren't even the richest team in MLB. Look at Hal Steinbrenner's net worth compared to Steven Cohen's. It's particularly close. Like not at all. Cohen is worth more than FOUR TIMES as much.

This is accurate based on pockets.  But the Yankees have positive Cash Flow even with the huge payroll, because they are the richest franchise in the MLB.  The fact that the owner can fund higher salaries is certainly important, but it isn't the same thing as team revenue.

[1fingerwillie]

5 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Good point, no other metropolitan area has more than one team.

Baltimore and DC surrounding population around 9 million. NYC around 24 million.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, 1fingerwillie said:

Baltimore and DC surrounding population around 9 million. NYC around 24 million.

And?

They are in the top 3.

Should they move a team out of Chicago?

Can Missouri support two teams?

[1fingerwillie]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

And?

They are in the top 3.

Should they move a team out of Chicago?

Can Missouri support two teams?

Just providing some facts. 

[OriolesUpAndDowns]

33 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It was never in hindsight. The Os were always against it. We had the numbers. We knew how bad it was going to effect the team.
 

That is why the MaSN deal was structured the way it was. It benefited the Os for a reason. That was essentially the compromise to having the team move to DC

Rgr.  I was still a little young at the time to fully pay attention and understand the business implications of the move.  

It's not just DC though.  Baseball is a big sport for kids all throughout Virginia.  Even though TV is trending down, I think it cuts into our market of potential new fans.  Now as you get further south in VA, I doubt those fans help the attendance much, but they are potential consumers to help revenue in other areas.  

 

[waroriole]

5 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Which is convenient since it's in the top 3.

From Wiki:

 

On wiki this says Baltimore/Washington is the 7th. If you limit it to the Baltimore metro areas it’s the 20th largest.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area

More importantly, the area around them where they can draw fans is small. It used to reach into VA and NC. All that space south of DC is more likely to be Nats fans, which is where a larger percentage of that metro population comes from. Any space north of Maryland is Phillies territory. Even central PA are not O’s fans. It’s all Pirates or Phillies. They’re basically consigned to Maryland and Delaware. 

[waroriole]

23 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

If the Nola contract is the standard and even if it comes with an opt out you do it. You almost have to. This team is demonstrably worse without Corbin Burnes. It's not just his ability to anchor the top of the rotation in the playoffs. But it's also his ability to post every 5 days and give you the necessary length/innings you need to help preserve your bullpen.

I don't see a realistic scenario where we let Burnes walk and then do not sign another top level pitcher and are better next season. I know that I have stated this befofe, but I am not confident at all that Eflin, Rodriguez, Kremer, Suarez, and Povich is a rotation that will allow you to qualify for a playoff birth. And it is certainly not one that will have a good shot at winning the AL East. Tampa will have their real elite staff back next year. We can't afford to go into a gun fight in 2025 with a water pistol.

If he would take the Nola contract that would be amazing. But that sounds like a hometown deal. Doubt we get that with him being here only one year. We’ll need to be the best offer, or very close. 6/180-200 is where they probably need to be prepared to go. It’s still probably worth it because they’ve not established any pitching pipeline. All arms still have to come from outside the organization. 

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, waroriole said:

On wiki this says Baltimore/Washington is the 7th. If you limit it to the Baltimore metro areas it’s the 20th largest.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area

More importantly, the area around them where they can draw fans is small. It used to reach into VA and NC. All that space south of DC is more likely to be Nats fans, which is where a larger percentage of that metro population comes from. Any space north of Maryland is Phillies territory. Even central PA are not O’s fans. It’s all Pirates or Phillies. They’re basically consigned to Maryland and Delaware. 

Oh no!  Competing Wiki articles!

There is no reason that the area can't support two teams, especially with how MLB has revenue sharing.

Fans from Baltimore just like to complain about their larger neighbors.

 

 

[waroriole]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Oh no!  Competing Wiki articles!

There is no reason that the area can't support two teams, especially with how MLB has revenue sharing.

Fans from Baltimore just like to complain about their larger neighbors.

 

 

It’s somewhat supporting two teams but it makes the team furthest away from the larger, richer population a small-mid market team. You can much more easily fit a team in Brooklyn or Newark than in Washington. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, waroriole said:

It’s somewhat supporting two teams but it makes the team furthest away from the larger, richer population a small-mid market team. You can much more easily fit a team in Brooklyn or Newark than in Washington. 

I'll agree that New York could use a third team and Boston a second.  But I'd still put Washington above a number of cities that have a MLB team.  Tampa for instance since I'm right here.  Milwaukee, Kansas City, Cleveland, these are all playoff teams with lower market scores than Baltimore.