Elias: Hyde will be back

[LGOrioles]

8 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Fair enough… but who IS to blame? Was it just a team-wide malaise that led to so many valuable regulars drastically underperforming?

If it happens to one guy, fine, we’re human. “ Sometimes you suck.” But when it happens to everyone, that’s a problem.

Maybe “responsibility” for doing a thing is better than blame for not doing it. But it happened to drastically to too many people to be an individual problem.

When the league adjusts to you, having found your weakness, you have to readjust. That didn’t happen.

The pitching problem, except for in-game choices, is in a different category, and is Elias’ responsibility. Hyde can only use the guys he has, but Elias has to get good guys.

So the clutch hitting is a problem. ALL hitting was a problem, and the blame is not only on the bad hitters.

I’m not saying he’s without blame. Just that there are some valid reasons too. I would be fine with him gone as well. 

[Uli2001]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Hope we can end all that discussion now

Yes, we should end the discussion about there being any change next season.

[Uli2001]

On the other hand, when the GM has to say that the manager will be back, that means said manager is on the hot seat. If Hyde doesn't make the playoffs next year or is eliminated in the first round again, he gone.

[Aristotelian]

1 hour ago, OHearn4Prez said:

I disagree with talking about what he has to work with. Hyde had more to work with, even with injuries, than a lot of teams and still fell on his face the entire second half of the season.

Sure Hyde doesn’t swing the bats, but a team wide 3 month slump is glaring and a manager needs to take ownership. 

Then comes his absolutely awful line up and in game decision making. He is a slave to match ups and has never heard the term “reverse splits”. We all have this data at our fingertips so this isn’t hind-site. Just look at game 1. EVERYONE knew that Ragans dominates righties despite being a lefty, so Hyde obviously loads up on righties. Of course 3 of our 4 hits against him were from the left hand side. Don’t have enough time to get into his bullpen usage. It’s an ongoing problem that he has shown he is not learning from.  Next year already feels like a wasted year. They better be active in FA because Hyde needs an all star team to win it all, and dump the hitting coaches because they are stealing from the organization at this point.
 

Hyde did not "load up on righties". He benched his most extreme platoon LHB (O'Hearn) for Mountcastle, but Mountcastle had hit Ragans previously. He also started McCann but that was at least partially for Burnes. That is hardly loading up on righties. Gunnar, Mullins, and Cowser were all in the lineup with Slater and Rivera on the bench, and Cowser and Mullins had 3 of the Orioles 4 hits. 

[allquixotic]

7 hours ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

Well, they better figure out why the entire lineup failed for three months if it's not a coaching issue. 

I think it most definitely is a coaching issue, just not at the Brandon Hyde level. It's the hitting coaches, I'm telling ya. They need to wipe them out. All of them.

[Baseball fandom]

10 hours ago, RavensNOsGuy said:

They better do something in this off season or there will be more empty seats on opening day in April than there were yesterday. People are going to be apathetic if they do nothing and just try to "Run in back". The last 2 seasons have brought a lot of hope and optimism. That is gone for 2025 unless some moves are made that signal they want to be competitive. Not just calling up Holliday or whatever. 

Yes indeed. Good post

[Bahama O's Fan]

11 hours ago, allquixotic said:

I think it most definitely is a coaching issue, just not at the Brandon Hyde level. It's the hitting coaches, I'm telling ya. They need to wipe them out. All of them.

But who is in charge of the hitting coaches? Who picked them? Who worked with them over the season? I also think there is a clubhouse thing where we get down and depressed very quickly if we start off bad. I think that's from the top down as well. Honestly, other than looking at the team's record, I don't know anything that Hyde does well. People give Hyde credit for the record, but maybe we could have been even better. It takes a special manager to go from good to great. What I'm getting at is maybe, just maybe, they were good not because of Hyde, but in spite of Hyde. 

[JR Oriole]

12 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

But who is in charge of the hitting coaches? Who picked them? Who worked with them over the season? I also think there is a clubhouse thing where we get down and depressed very quickly if we start off bad. I think that's from the top down as well. Honestly, other than looking at the team's record, I don't know anything that Hyde does well. People give Hyde credit for the record, but maybe we could have been even better. It takes a special manager to go from good to great. What I'm getting at is maybe, just maybe, they were good not because of Hyde, but in spite of Hyde. 

Maybe that is why we only came back 2 times to win games when trailing after 6 innings in the last 114 games.

[webbrick2010]

One of my issues with Hyde/coaching staff were the fundamental mental gaffes that seemed to never be corrected

How many times did an OF'er miss the cut off man, looking at you Cowser

How many times did we make the third out at third base, looking at you Cedric Mullins

How do we not have the contact play on with men at second and third and no out in a tie game (did Holiday freeze or was the 3B coach out to lunch)

This team played increasingly poor defense, with bad fundamentals and the players were never held accountable.

 

[waroriole]

This Twitter thread is interesting. A lot of things track. I generally think she doesn’t know much but she does seem to know people around the team. She’s also been a Hyde defender. 
 

 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, waroriole said:

This Twitter thread is interesting. A lot of things track. I generally think she doesn’t know much but she does seem to know people around the team. She’s also been a Hyde defender. 
 

 

She’s awful.  I wouldn’t take anything she says to mean anything. 

[waroriole]

11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

She’s awful.  I wouldn’t take anything she says to mean anything. 

I mean I wouldn’t be concerned about her opinions on which FA to sign or which players are best. But, she’s definitely a big fan and is just passing off info given to her. If it didn’t track into some other things that make sense, I wouldn’t pay it much mind. Of course, someone with an agenda could’ve just told her those things to spread rumors. Maybe Rick Dempsey haha.  

[Pickles]

32 minutes ago, waroriole said:

This Twitter thread is interesting. A lot of things track. I generally think she doesn’t know much but she does seem to know people around the team. She’s also been a Hyde defender. 
 

 

I don't know who this woman is and I don't do Twitter.

And this is what I touched on in the other thread: I don't know what the best path forward is b/c I don't know exactly what the problem is.

I don't think Hyde needs to go, but if this is true- and I have no idea if it is or not- he should be gone.

The talk of veteran leaders brings questions.  What was insufficient of the leadership of Satandaner, Mullins, Burnes, and Kimbrel?

 

[Pickles]

19 minutes ago, waroriole said:

I mean I wouldn’t be concerned about her opinions on which FA to sign or which players are best. But, she’s definitely a big fan and is just passing off info given to her. If it didn’t track into some other things that make sense, I wouldn’t pay it much mind. Of course, someone with an agenda could’ve just told her those things to spread rumors. Maybe Rick Dempsey haha.  

I'm a big fan.  It doesn't mean I have sources in the clubhouse.

Do we have any idea who her sources are?  Does she have any kind of track record of having reliable sources?

[Sports Guy]

33 minutes ago, waroriole said:

I mean I wouldn’t be concerned about her opinions on which FA to sign or which players are best. But, she’s definitely a big fan and is just passing off info given to her. If it didn’t track into some other things that make sense, I wouldn’t pay it much mind. Of course, someone with an agenda could’ve just told her those things to spread rumors. Maybe Rick Dempsey haha.  

But we have no idea who told her or of the info is good. She has given no reason to believe her.

Im sure someone told her something but im not sure she smart enough to be able to tell the difference between good info and bad info.