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theocean Major Leaguer

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4 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

This is a great point. the only way for Jones to increase his value was to come up big down the stretch and in the playoffs. Then he could have that veteranosity tag attached to him. 

Of course, his .155/.206/.207/.413 playoff slash line in 63 PAs suggests that the spot light may not be where he shines.

I really doubt smart front offices put a lot of stock into small-sample-size playoff performances. 

Adam Jones has been consistent in this league long enough that front offices know who he is. Whether that results in a long term deal, I don’t know - but all this nonsense about how he is selfish for refusing a trade or how he is somehow less of a man for refusing to split up his family is in poor taste.

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8 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

As Duquette noted in his recent interview, players in their 30s can't be counted on in the post PED environment so those big contracts just aren't out there anymore for guys like Jones. 

He could have been playing in meaningful baseball games right now with a chance at a World Series ring instead, he'll be entering into a Free Agency with a bit of a tarnished legacy, and a skill set that screams one year affordable contract. Not sure if he took advice or made this decision on his own, but this has to go down as one of the worse decisions I've seen a veteran major league baseball player make.

The Phillies are 5 games over .500 there is no chance to win a World Series there.  I don't agree that he is only going to get a one year contract.  I don't see how he hurt himself.   He won't have no trade rights with his new team.  

Hyberbole to the max to say it is one of the worst decisions you've seen.

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2 hours ago, esmd said:

If they offer him a QO the entire ownership, FO, and anyone else on the management team who had a part in that decision should be banned from baseball for life.

People say some crazy stuff In this thread.  But if Adam accepted QO it would only be a 1 year deal.  How does a 1 year deal deserve such hyperbole?

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7 hours ago, TommyPickles said:

Man. Some harsh words for Adam in this thread...

I understand that it’s been a horrible season. I also understand that Jones doesn’t really fit into this team’s rebuild plans. But still. Sheesh. Give this man a break. It’s not like he’s having a bad season. If he had been playing RF from opening day his rWAR would look wayyy better.

He leads the team in ABs (541), hits (154), doubles (32).

He’s struck out less than usual. Hes getting on base at a solid clip (.285 avg, .316 OBP). He’s stolen 7 bases in 8 attempts. He’s got a respectable OPS (.743).

And he’s one of the only players fans still want to go see. I’ve only been to five games this year (the fewest in years for me), but I’m going with about 15-20 people for that last series, mostly just so we can give this man a standing ovation every time he comes up to bat.

He means a lot to the city.

 

 

 

Yeah I have zero idea why people have turned on him. Even if he was having a terrible year why would you be angry if he used his no trade rights? Makes zero sense.  I just find it weird that people are angry and saying ridiculous things In This thread.  At the end of the day it's his decision.  He is allowed to do what he thinks is best for him and his family.  

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3 hours ago, atomic said:

Yeah I have zero idea why people have turned on him. Even if he was having a terrible year why would you be angry if he used his no trade rights? Makes zero sense.  I just find it weird that people are angry and saying ridiculous things In This thread.  At the end of the day it's his decision.  He is allowed to do what he thinks is best for him and his family.  

It's the opposite side of the service time manipulation coin. I'm fine with Adam's decision for whatever reason. I just don't care. I look at the two veterans the Phillies picked up in August (Bour and Bautista) and what their cost was and can't see Adam bringing much more than a organization bit (Bour) or cash (Bautista). Shoot Wilson Ramos only brought the Rays a PTBL. There is no scenario where Adam brings back anything of value, just salary relief.

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The only thing I questioned with Jones and not going to Philadelphia is why he would rather stay in Baltimore and continue to play for a loser rather than go to Philly (which isn't far away logistically) and compete to go to the playoffs.  Philly at the time was either in the division lead or very close to it, as opposed to being 5.5 out now.  As others have noted on this thread, his career stats in the playoffs have been really abysmal.  I was hoping to see him play on a team with a real chance to get to the playoffs and then maybe he could do some damage there on the big stage and improve on that awful slash line.  It has to be tough as a player to never get a chance to go to the World Series your entire career.....maybe not for all of the players who don't get that opportunity, but for many I am sure that is a big void that unfortunately doesn't go away.  But, as many have said here, that was his choice to make and he chose to stay here. 

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Not really sure I understand the reaction that there were any new revelations from this interview.    The very first time he was asked about this in public he was extremely curt and kinda surly and said stuff like "If you're gonna be the one to help pay my bills then you can tell me what to do" or something similar.  

This latest talk is a little more direct but the message is the same.  He felt he could get a bigger contract for himself as a regular RF (although I suppose now "regular" is not quite the best word.........but maybe he was promised that earlier in the summer) than as a platoon player.    It was always about his next contract.   And I think that makes perfect sense for a veteran player to look at it that way.

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5 hours ago, atomic said:

People say some crazy stuff In this thread.  But if Adam accepted QO it would only be a 1 year deal.  How does a 1 year deal deserve such hyperbole?

There are about $17 million reasons why.  Jones will be lucky to get a multi-year contract offer totaling $17 million while the QO is about that amount for one year.

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2 hours ago, Larry18 said:

It's the opposite side of the service time manipulation coin. I'm fine with Adam's decision for whatever reason. I just don't care. I look at the two veterans the Phillies picked up in August (Bour and Bautista) and what their cost was and can't see Adam bringing much more than a organization bit (Bour) or cash (Bautista). Shoot Wilson Ramos only brought the Rays a PTBL. There is no scenario where Adam brings back anything of value, just salary relief.

I agree with this take - sure it would’ve been nice to offload him, get a piece back, relieve some salary, and see him play in a race. Nonetheless, and it’s easier to say this because it isn’t my money, it really doesn’t matter that much because any prospect return was going to be pretty negligible. Heck, it could’ve just been that Zoellner guy we were all pissin and moanin about getting anyway.

I was surprised and a little disappointed, but it really doesn’t matter that much. I certainly don’t think it warrants badmouthing Adam. It’s just getting so much attention because we’re so ghastly and have nothing else to talk about. Like probably most on here, I love Adam (and he’s one of my favorites all time) so I’ll just enjoy watching him for a few more games in orange.

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