Update on Jones to the Braves for Jurrjens, Prado, Plus

[Lucky Jim]

Bingo

As I said, he's a very good baseball player. He's just not great, yet. He can definitely still get to that level, though.

See Cameron, Dave.

[Florida_Osfan]

What do you mean, bingo? It's not like he's stating fact there. It's an opinion, and there's plenty of upside to Jones that neither JJ nor Prado can even touch at this point. I'd be fine keeping Jones if Prado and JJ is all we can pry from the Braves.

[Swampdonks]

I don't disagree with him. Well, I do, but not a lot.

He said they want a big return because Jones has potential to be a premium player. He's not that player, yet. Read the last part of my post you just quoted, and I said the same thing.

[Florida_Osfan]

I think both sides wear the kool-aid glasses, and I'm sure I'm overvaluing AJ a bit here, but to say he's "average at best" is a little ludicrous.

[Swampdonks]

I'd be fine keeping Jones if Prado and JJ is all we can pry from the Braves.

Yeah, maybe. I think the Orioles should just start looking at other alternatives, if not now then then mid-season. It would just suck to let a player like that go and only get a draft pick back

[Swampdonks]

I think both sides wear the kool-aid glasses

That's natural from any fanbase, though.

[Lucky Jim]

I don't disagree with him. Well, I do, but not a lot.

He said they want a big return because Jones has potential to be a premium player. He's not that player, yet. Read the last part of my post you just quoted, and I said the same thing.

Right. I wasn't citing him oppositionally. The point is, as you've mentioned before, the kinds of value being sought by the two teams are at odds.

[Roll Tide]

Nice bold prediction. Problem is, from the Braves side it looks like Jurrjens and Prado will not both be included, just one of them. Also it's been reported from multiple outlets that the Braves aren't going to include Beachy, Minor, Teheran, Delgado, or Viz, and adding in a utility guy like Andino isn't going to change that either. But that's also why it was a BOLD prediction, I suppose.

The quote I read somewhere said none of their top 4 yet you list 5. Early in the offseason it was stated that many MLB teams view Andino as a starter at SS.

Teams are interested in dealing for O's infielder Robert Andino, ... Some teams see him as a starting SS.

It's ok Dude we get it ...Its ok to try to diminish the Orioles players value with most of your post. Just admit you are doing it. I personally will be glad when these rumors are over. The Braves that they are wanting to castoff are worth their weight in platinum ...But the Orioles players they'd like to have are not so desireable and way overrated here at the Orioles Hangout.

[JTrea81]

Between this post and your previous post, you've made some pretty bold statements (not that this is unusual). I'd like you to go on record that the following is truly what you believe, because it is what you just wrote.

If the Orioles had the following options for this year's rotation:

Guthrie

Britton

Wada

Eveland

Edwin Jackson

Gavin Floyd (though Drungo is right about the fact that we'd have to give up a decent amount to get him, I'm going to ignore that right now)

Arrieta

Matusz

Hunter

Tillman

Bergesen

AND they signed Prince Fielder, but made no other substantive changes

You believe that this team would be a legitimate contender for the play-offs with these rotation options?

Yes or No. Please don't equivocate. This is what you've typed in the last few pages.

Yes, that team would be a legit contender on paper as that is close to a 90 win team.

[Swampdonks]

The quote I read somewhere said none of their top 4 yet you list 5

And I've stated numerous times Beachy is not in the top 4 because he's an already established major leaguer. I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

Everytime I see it's a post from you, I shake my head because I know there's going to be nothing of substance in that post. The good thing is, you're really the only poster on this board that I can say that for.

Some knowledgeable posters here on OH :beerchug1:

[Roll Tide]

Yes, that team would be a legit contender on paper as that is close to a 90 win team.

Until the games were actually played....Look Trea the Orioles would still have the worst rotation in the AL East. They have no closer and dont give the Johnson crap.The rest of the bullpen is suspect. Fielder is a player I'd like to see but they will not be competing with just 1 position player upgrade ...No matter how large.

[Roll Tide]

And I've stated numerous times Beachy is not in the top 4 because he's an already established major leaguer. I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

Everytime I see it's a post from you, I shake my head because I know there's going to be nothing of substance in that post. The good thing is, you're really the only poster on this board that I can say that for.

Some knowledgeable posters here on OH :beerchug1:

Great stuff here ... Dude if you just want to be a Troll go here _----------->>>>>>>> www.talkingchop.com/

Your 400 posts or this deal ending wont come soon enough!

[Swampdonks]

Have I been a troll before? No, it's only you thinking that. Just got tired of your constant bashes on me with no real substance.

As for talkingchop, some good blogs but it's a terrible layout to post on. I go elsewhere for Braves talk.

[El Gordo]

Yea, I could see something like this happening as well.

A 4-2 deal, where we take on more money than Atlanta takes on, they lose the one young starter they can easily replace and the Orioles satisfy their needs to upgrade the staff and get a good OBP guy for the top of the order.

I could see this happening except substitute Delgado for Minor.

[ChaosLex]

Great stuff here ... Dude if you just want to be a Troll go here _----------->>>>>>>> www.talkingchop.com/

Your 400 posts or this deal ending wont come soon enough!

Not trying to pick sides, but you should probably tone it down a little, Johnny. Is he undervaluing Jones a little? Probably. Are we overvaluing Jones a little? Probably.

Just because he's a fan of another team doesn't mean he's not welcome to post here. Personally, I appreciate the different opinion, especially since it's coming from someone who's pretty knowledgeable and articulate in their responses.

Just my two cents.