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Who said Reynolds was going to cost $9-10 million? He isn't.

LaRoche is also 4 years older.

I would rather have Reynolds for 7 million, instead of Laroche for 10 million over the next 2-3 years.

I think there was an estimation that Reynolds might get $9MM in arbitration, so that's what I was using. And I wouldn't give Reynolds ANYTHING other than a one year deal. I'd give LaRoche a 2-3 year deal.

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Who's saying they should get rid of Granderson? Some idiots in the NYC media?

Granderson is perfect for that ballpark and had a good year this year. There's no way they're getting rid of him with both Swisher and Potentially Ichiro on their way out too.

Didn't the Yankees just exercise Granderson's option?

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Didn't the Yankees just exercise Granderson's option?

Yes and Cano. Was speculation Granderson's might not get picked up. But with the guys they likely lose(Pettite, Ichiro and Swisher)they probably felt they needed to. Hes great for that short porch but he won't be putting them over the top.

Soriano also opted out today. Hes the guy they should keep. I honestly think Mo is done.

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Yes and Cano. Was speculation Granderson's might not get picked up. But with the guys they likely lose(Pettite, Ichiro and Swisher)they probably felt they needed to. Hes great for that short porch but he won't be putting them over the top.

Soriano also opted out today. Hes the guy they should keep. I honestly think Mo is done.

It's certainly possible. What did he tear? ACL? MCL? That not a terribly hard injury to come back from, even at 41(?) . It wouldn't surprise me a lot if he did come back.

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Hardy had a great season and Reynolds wasn't at 1st for most of it. Not saying you don't have a point but I think you're giving Reynolds a bit much credit for why Hardy won. Sure he saved some throws but it's not like the other 4ish months Hardy was a slouch or anything.

Reynolds started 105 games and played in 108 games at 1B. That is two-thirds of the season.

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Pena is a carbon copy of Reynolds. Though a worse average. Wiggington is a pretty underrated player. Youk is likely to be an FA. I love his attitude, hes so fearless. Doesn't take crap from anybody. Not afraid to take one for the team. He may have played for Boston but I always admired the guys work ethic.

I think Reynolds is a better fit for the Orioles than all three of these guys right now. Pena is a an older version of Reynolds. Wigginton is more versatile than Reynolds, but does not have the power potential. I don't care whou Youkilis played for in the past. With his injury history the past couple of years, he appears to be breaking down. IMO, Reynolds is worth more than all of these guys if he hits the open market.

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Really? Until he was moved to 1st he wasn't all of that much positive value(if any) his hitting isn't that much of a value. His average is terrible, if he doesn't hit the HR ball he doesn't bring much to the table.

Reynolds is not a necessity. It would be one thing if he was hitting some 30HRs with a decent average. Some 20 HRs to hit about .230 is nothing to write home about.

I'm fine when fans criticize Reynolds. Criticize his homeruns. Criticize his value. Critisize what he brought before the move to 1B.

What annoys me is when fans scream for someone like Reynolds to be replaced, but don't say who they are being replaced by. Who makes sense and is available that would be a better player/value for us as our first baseman next year?

I believe I have heard you say Chris Davis. Who is your DH? Be realistic. This isn't a video game.

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I'm fine when fans criticize Reynolds. Criticize his homeruns. Criticize his value. Critisize what he brought before the move to 1B.

What annoys me is when fans scream for someone like Reynolds to be replaced, but don't say who they are being replaced by. Who makes sense and is available that would be a better player/value for us as our first baseman next year?

I believe I have heard you say Chris Davis. Who is your DH? Be realistic. This isn't a video game.

Agree. I don't know how many times ive read that the O's should and can find a better option then Reynolds. Who right now, can play prettt solid defense, get on base at a .340 clip, give you an .800 ops, and hit you 30-40 hr? James Loney? I really dont want to hear Kevin Youkilis. With his injuriies, hes basically a DH.

The Royals getting Santana, makes a Hosmer deal less likely. Besides, we werent going to get Hismer for a 26 year old, still stuck in AA. Like it or not, the O's and Reynolds need each other. Thers the best fit for each other.

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I'm fine when fans criticize Reynolds. Criticize his homeruns. Criticize his value. Critisize what he brought before the move to 1B.

What annoys me is when fans scream for someone like Reynolds to be replaced, but don't say who they are being replaced by. Who makes sense and is available that would be a better player/value for us as our first baseman next year?

I believe I have heard you say Chris Davis. Who is your DH? Be realistic. This isn't a video game.

You could go with a combo of Betemit and Reimold at DH and get pretty good production. That assumes you re-sign McLouth or otherwise fill LF.

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Agree. I don't know how many times ive read that the O's should and can find a better option then Reynolds. Who right now, can play prettt solid defense, get on base at a .340 clip, give you an .800 ops, and hit you 30-40 hr? James Loney? I really dont want to hear Kevin Youkilis. With his injuriies, hes basically a DH.

The Royals getting Santana, makes a Hosmer deal less likely. Besides, we werent going to get Hismer for a 26 year old, still stuck in AA. Like it or not, the O's and Reynolds need each other. Thers the best fit for each other.

This is how I see it.

Obviously, Reynolds isn't an ideal option. But I don't see one of those out there. I think Swisher is better, but I can't see paying 2x the annual salary for 4-5 years makes the total package preferable.

The Royals weren't going to give Hosmer away anyway. That would have been a very cost prohibitive trade.

I'm fine w Reynolds returning next year. Frankly, I think he'll be better than he was this past season, and that wasn't too bad at all.

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You could go with a combo of Betemit and Reimold at DH and get pretty good production. That assumes you re-sign McLouth or otherwise fill LF.

So putting Davis at 1B and Betemit at DH and praying Reimold stays healthy to be a DH backup LF option is a better option then resigning Reynolds?

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You could go with a combo of Betemit and Reimold at DH and get pretty good production. That assumes you re-sign McLouth or otherwise fill LF.
Would Reimold/Betemit combine for better numbers than Davis at DH? Would Davis play a decent 1B in comparison to Reynolds?
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Reasonable expectation would be yes to both, assumming good health and platooning. They would also be much cheaper.

I agree that Davis can be the 1st basemen defensively that Reynolds is, but I think we should take into account there's a lot more downside in his bat than there is in Reynolds. So there's risk there on both sides of the equation.

Furthermore, is it "reasonable" to expect a healthy and productive Reimold? I don't think so. I don't think it's absurd, but it shouldn't be counted upon. So there's risk there.

Is the 8-9 mil we'll have to pay Reynolds not worth mitigating a lot of that risk?

I think it is. Particularly as I don't expect them to spend much in the FA market, which I'm fine w, but I don't want to simeltaneously let talent for nothing either.

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