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Well hard to get 5% now but dooable.

He wouldn't have kept $2.42M though with taxes.

Probably more like $1.5 million but invested conservatively at such a young age, he can do as you say, whatever he wants.

Maybe Joe Jordan is getting a cut....

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Look, I despised the pick, go check the thread from that night, I was seriously unhappy.

But that sort of thing is uncalled for.

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Well hard to get 5% now but dooable.

He wouldn't have kept $2.42M though with taxes.

Probably more like $1.5 million but invested conservatively at such a young age, he can do as you say, whatever he wants.

Maybe Joe Jordan is getting a cut....

Oh yea, so halve that. I guess you can get by on $60k a year in a lot of places. But he'll need to find a job to supplement that. And that's if he really has anything left of it after being a 22-year-old guy with $1.5M in the bank. And the Jordan thing was a cheap shot.

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Look, I despised the pick, go check the thread from that night, I was seriously unhappy.

But that sort of thing is uncalled for.

Fine, I apologize to you. Are you Joe Jordan's son?

Nobody had this guy anywhere near where he was taken. People defended it at first but...

You don't think certain scouts (that eventually become directors) get to close to certain players that can blind their judgement?

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Fine, I apologize to you. Are you Joe Jordan's son?

Nobody had this guy anywhere near where he was taken. People defended it at first but...

You don't think certain scouts (that eventually become directors) get to close to certain players that can blind their judgement?

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You accused him of taking a kick-back.

My view, the one that I had from day one, is that Joe got caught up in a good story and made a bad decision.

No reason to accuse him of anything more then bad judgement.

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Nobody had this guy anywhere near where he was taken. People defended it at first but...

You don't think certain scouts (that eventually become directors) get to close to certain players that can blind their judgement?

I don't think many people outside of the organization liked the pick. The consensus here was that it was at least a reach, and maybe a ridiculous reach. But I think a lot of external sources had Hobgood going in the 15-20 range. It's not necessarily that crazy to take a consensus #15 at #5. In any case, that was a crappy draft class. Lots of teams got zero value out of their first rounder.

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You accused him of taking a kick-back.

My view, the one that I had from day one, is that Joe got caught up in a good story and made a bad decision.

No reason to accuse him of anything more then bad judgement.

Corn: I was joking. I really didn't think that. My point is maybe he did since it was an extreme reach:) Come on now, I don't think Jordan would do that.

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Corn: I was joking. I really didn't think that. My point is maybe he did since it was an extreme reach:) Come on now, I don't think Jordan would do that.

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I for one find it amazing still that some overweight out of shape high school fkid who happens to be able to hit 90 mph on Radar gun can fool some professional scouts enough to parlay that into over 2 million clams! Most people will be lucky to make anywhere close to that in a lifetime of daily grind and stress. So more power to him for being so lucky monetarily at least. He and Billy Rowell ought to form a partnership and invest their jackpots they got by luck. Maybe they could form a band with their main song:Money For Nothing Checks For Free!

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And this was all part of the Hobgood selection. It's not that Jordan didn't like any of the other guys that were available, he just thought they all had some red flags. If they all had the same price tag, I'm pretty sure Hobgood would not have been that pick, but I could be wrong. At the end of the day, if he had Hobgood rated about equal as Matzek and Wheeler, why would he pay the premium price for the other two. He figured he could get Hobgood, Coffey and Ohlman for the price of Wheeler or Matzek. Now obviously things have not worked out, but from a scouting director's perspective, I can certainly understand where Jordan was coming from. He just didn't think Matzek and Wheeler were worth the premium price they were asking (they were asking for much more than they eventually got).

As the scouting director and the man in charge, Jordan is ultimately responsible for the success or failure of each draft class. The story has not been totally written yet on that draft class but to me, the logic was sound.

I just wanted to bump this post since not everyone knows the full story. Obviously both Wheeler and Matzek became major league pitchers and none of the three Jordan went for probably will (Ohlman still has a chance I guess). Both Wheeler and Matzek had very unreasonable contract demands that they came off, but Jordan had concerns that he could sign either of them with his budget.

I'll admit the Hobgood selection was a serious reach, but I can understand his logic of getting three guys he liked for the same price as what he thought it would cost to get Matzek or Wheeler.

The problem is that Jordan, who I like and respect as a baseball man and scout, if he had one weakness as as a scouting director is that he tended to take too many chances on small sample guys or guys who played multiple sports and never dedicated themselves to baseball thinking that once they did they would excel because of the tools. He loved those pitchers with spikes in velocity (Coffey and Hobgood) their senior year but what I think everyone has learned now is those guys are major injury risks or possible PED users since there is no testing in highschool.

Amateur scouting director is one of the hardest jobs in baseball in my opinion because of the vast number of potential players, a limited scouting staff, and the fact that players have mostly been tested against inferior competition and the only way to truly know is when they eventually get a chance to be tested against major league quality players (if they get the far).

Sure it's easy to sit here and say players are reaches and they should have picked this guy over that guy, but at the end of the day, even consensus top picks fail and fail often.

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You probably think The D-Rays do a pretty good job at drafting, right? Here's their 2009 draft as well:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=TBD&year_ID=2009&draft_type=junreg&

Red Sox?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=BOS&year_ID=2009&draft_type=junreg&

A few teams like the Blue Jays and Cardinals did pretty well, but it was a tough draft year. It happens.

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You probably think The D-Rays do a pretty good job at drafting, right? Here's their 2009 draft as well:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=TBD&year_ID=2009&draft_type=junreg&

Red Sox?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=BOS&year_ID=2009&draft_type=junreg&

A few teams like the Blue Jays and Cardinals did pretty well, but it was a tough draft year. It happens.

Heaney would have been an ok pick. If they had been able to sign him...

Miles Head was supposedly good...

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Reds

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=CIN&year_ID=2009&draft_type=junreg&

Cardinals

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=STL&year_ID=2009&draft_type=junreg&

Angels

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=ANA&year_ID=2009&draft_type=junreg&

But, yes, it was a rough year for first rounders. Wheeler was the pick to make -- probably -- and a "safety pick" like Minor, Leake, Storen, Crow, would have all worked out.

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