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Not sure about Upton or Butler. Francouer is more a possibility based on what happens with McLouth. Also heard perhaps the Braves . Anyone for our good friend Prado.

I guess we might here 30- names and perhaps end up with one. I think they make a bigger splash then Eveland.

I almost jokingly made a comment about Franceour. They're looking for OBP, why go after him?

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I like the idea of Hosmer the most but I find it hard to believe that KC is going to give up on him at his age and contract. Butler seems like the most likely fit. I also like the idea of Smoak. Getting him out of Seattle I think would do him wonders and probably wouldn't cost as much as Butler.

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Neither Morneau, Hosmer, nor Morse posted WAR's over 1 last year, and Morse and Morneau are on the wrong side of 30. They'd be a significant downgrade from Reynolds in all aspects of the game. Hosmer and Butler have some pros but also come with terrible first base defense and Hosmer had a pretty nasty sophomore slump last year. Moreover, each would be overvalued by KC because Hosmer was seen as a future cornerstone and butler is a fan favorite.

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That would be a huge mistake. Trading Hammel and Tillman both.

I'd trade Hammel + Matusz in a deal for Butler. KC would need a decent amount more I would think.

Why? I think you are over-valuing Butler here. KC really wants to cut salary. Butler represents a large chunk of their budget. He is a DH only. His is production is worth more than his salary, but his salary hamstrings KC a bit in their efforts to do other things. That is what makes a trade between KC and the O's involving Butler a good fit, IMO. It is a potential win-win. If the Royals want to cut payroll to be able to afford Lester or Price in another trade, selling a bit low on Butler makes some sense. Another possibility might be Hosmer, but I think the Royals would want any team trading for Hosmer to also take back Chen or Hochevar to help them payroll-wise. They would have no reason to move Hosmer otherwise, IMO.

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I'm not sure the hesitation on not trading a pitcher. Once Bundy/Gausman come through someone down the road will be the odd man out anyway

Could just be Hammel leaving and having Tillman-Chen-Gonzo-Bundy-Gausman.

We have some movement to trade pitching. But it has to be the right deal, and we need to fill those young pitchers spots with some depth in AAA if we do move them.

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Could just be Hammel leaving and having Tillman-Chen-Gonzo-Bundy-Gausman.

We have some movement to trade pitching. But it has to be the right deal, and we need to fill those young pitchers spots with some depth in AAA if we do move them.

If we trade a SP, signing Saunders becomes a much bigger priority.

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Could just be Hammel leaving and having Tillman-Chen-Gonzo-Bundy-Gausman.

We have some movement to trade pitching. But it has to be the right deal, and we need to fill those young pitchers spots with some depth in AAA if we do move them.

I don't think that there is any way that Gausman breaks camp with the Orioles. He's got less than half of a year of MiLB experience.

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I am only hesitant on trading Tillman. Matusz and Arrieta can go for all I care.

It's a classic case of selling high. Tillman (along with his buddies Bergy and Berken) had zero value last winter. Amazing how perceptions have changed. There's always the possibility that Matusz and Arrieta get it turned around this year and become the Tillman of 2013.

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I'm not sure the hesitation on not trading a pitcher. Once Bundy/Gausman come through someone down the road will be the odd man out anyway

If the O's are going to contend in 2013 they need to have enough starting pitching until Bundy/Gausman arrive. Also there is not guarantee that Bundy/Gausman have immediate success.

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Ill say this for the gigillionith time. Tillman is more important to the Orioles than Eric Hosmer will ever be. If we trade Tillman for Hosmer we will regret it. He just isnt that great a player, and Tillman is on his way to being special. I hope the Orioles dont dare do this.

I won't disagree with this. It would certainly be a bold move.

I would certainly think that Buck wants to keep Tillman around.

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