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MurphDogg Hangout Grand Counsel

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Honestly? To me 19 out of 30 has the sound of clearly being in the lower half. 14-17 I could see counting as "right in the middle", 13-18 I would agree with "around the middle". 19th and less then 100K away from the Nats in 20th is lower half in my book.

In 2011 they were 18th, but 14 through 18 were within $3 million. I would classify all five of those teams as being right in the middle. There was a hefty jump at 13 (more so at 12) and 19.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_teams_by_payroll_in_2011

Likewise, in 2012, 16-20 were separated by less than $2 million. That is essentially a five-way tie. And that is with the Marlins in the top 10.

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Do you mind posting the Orioles financial books along with those of the rest of the teams in the league? I would love to look through them. Every team could pay more for payroll. There is not a team in the league that is spending the milk money on their 25th player. That said, with their market size, somewhere between 12 and 20 feels about right for the Orioles payroll.

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This thread should just be closed now.

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Do you mind posting the Orioles financial books along with those of the rest of the teams in the league? I would love to look through them. Every team could pay more for payroll. There is not a team in the league that is spending the milk money on their 25th player. That said, with their market size, somewhere between 12 and 20 feels about right for the Orioles payroll.

Well unfortunately, PA keeps just as much of a tight grip on those books, as he does the MASN profits. So I won't be able to accomodate your request. Truly sorry.

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In 2011 they were 18th, but 14 through 18 were within $3 million. I would classify all five of those teams as being right in the middle. There was a hefty jump at 13 (more so at 12) and 19.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_teams_by_payroll_in_2011

Differing definitions, not a big deal.

What I have seen over the last 15 years or so is a slow and steady decline down the list. Sometimes jumping up a bit then heading back down.

I could understand it pre-MASN with the falling attendance.

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Differing definitions, not a big deal.

What I have seen over the last 15 years or so is a slow and steady decline down the list. Sometimes jumping up a bit then heading back down.

I could understand it pre-MASN with the falling attendance.

I get that, but our TV landscape isn't unique. I expect them to continue to be around the middle in the future. If they drop out of that cluster around 15, then I won't be happy.

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This thread oozes frustration, which is very understandable. Hamilton was really the last chance the Orioles had to address their major need; a legitimate bat for the middle of their lineup, and build upon the momentum they gained last season. On paper they are a worse team then they were last season (Reynolds gone, Saunders gone, Davis playing 1b, etc.) and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a legitimate baseball mind who didn't think they overachieved last season. Would signing Hamilton have been risky? Yes. Is there a chance they would have regretted the move towards the tail end of his contract? Yes. But you can't always sit around waiting for the perfect FA to come along. It's also about timing, and now was the time for them to strike, even more so than last season with all the "sign Fielder" buzz.

All that said, I'll reserve my judgement until opening day. Maybe Double D has a trade up his sleeves, who knows. I personally just don't see it happening, unless something comes completely out of leftfield. The teams we matched up with the best all seemed to have made their moves already.

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Actions speak louder than words! The Orioles have no intention of ever having a guy make $20 million plus a year. They have not been serious bidders in a premium free agent since Tejada. Angelos saw Duquette do it on the cheap last year, and he expects him to it on the cheap every year. I think another poster has it right, we are the Oakland A's East. Duquette has to find his Gonzales, McLouth and Chen every year because we will not be bidders in premium free agents. We are who we are. I've accepted that's who my home town team is going to be. Anyone hoping for more is just setting themselves up for disappointment.

Hey - the A's signed Cespedes last year. I would be delighted with that type of signing.

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No, you must not have ever been real good at math. At 15, there would be 14 teams better and 15 teams worse, hence not in the middle.

Actually it was a bad attempt to lighten the mood after tempers flared a little. Very bad attempt it seems. Ha. However; 15 is closer to the middle, than 18 ;)

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