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Hunter was having command issues. He was lucky the single he gave up wasn't a HR. I'm fine with Buck's decision.

Was there no one else he could have brought in? Regardless of how you feel about JJ's performance this season, I think it's fair to say he's been used too often. His appearance tonight was not necessary.

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I think there would be a different tone if Jim continued his normal ways tonight and blew it all

He's saved, what, 31 out of 37? I'd say his normal ways would be to get the save (perhaps while making it interesting). It's certainly not to blow it all.

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I guess you are correct - I still would not call this a punk move - more along the line of Can of Corn saying that it was just a manager getting his closer a save.

Buck believes in the Save Rule and not the Win Rule. Or is it the other way around? Whatever. Buck seems a little hypocritical with Johnson.

Because I can remember Buck doing this commercial about three years ago.

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He's saved, what, 31 out of 37? I'd say his normal ways would be to get the save (perhaps while making it interesting). It's certainly not to blow it all.

Your point is correct.

Defenses of JJ still make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, though. The guy's on pace for 55 saves. Wonderful. He's also on pace for 10 blown saves and 12 losses. 12.

Yep, sure love seeing him come into games...

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It's really the economics I'm worried about, when closers get money in their arbitration years based on saves, you are basically paying by the save... so you have to ask yourself if it's worth it when a guy is brought in in a situation like this. It might not make a difference but if he ends the year with 50 saves versus 49 saves that could be forty billion dollars or however the math works in MLBPAworld.

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Your point is correct.

Defenses of JJ still make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, though. The guy's on pace for 55 saves. Wonderful. He's also on pace for 10 blown saves and 12 losses. 12.

Yep, sure love seeing him come into games...

I agree with this sentiment, although I am not sure the end results would be any different with some other "no closer" oriented use of pitchers. This game is an example; it seemed like we were only 4 to five different pitches from our various relievers away from it being a 10-8 Toronto win.

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Your point is correct.

Defenses of JJ still make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, though. The guy's on pace for 55 saves. Wonderful. He's also on pace for 10 blown saves and 12 losses. 12.

Yep, sure love seeing him come into games...

That's it. Because all of you trying to draw comparisons to Hunter and Johnson are missing a really big point. Hunter has been the better pitcher.

And does anyone else feel like I did, that even though he gave up a couple there I would have been comfortable leaving him in based on how he's pitched this year. I can't say the same for Johnson almost every time he comes in.

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It's really the economics I'm worried about, when closers get money in their arbitration years based on saves, you are basically paying by the save... so you have to ask yourself if it's worth it when a guy is brought in in a situation like this. It might not make a difference but if he ends the year with 50 saves versus 49 saves that could be forty billion dollars or however the math works in MLBPAworld.

Another reason NOT to have one guy getting all the saves.

Economics.

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This wasn't a save situation. No amount of arguing is going to convince me. This is one of the times a save really isn't a save. But it was nice to see Tillman buckle up and get through the 6th on 108 pitches. Next time, stretch him out to 115.

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Interesting, a punk in Shakespeare's time was a prostitute, and according to some friends of mine who spent some time incarcerated, it means that as well, in jail, although not necessarily a willing one.....:scratchchinhmm:

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...to pull your best reliever of the season, when he gives up a couple runs in a ballgame well in hand, with one out left, for the guy who has had every opportunity and blown it.

I understand Buck being loyal to his guys (JJ), sometimes to a fault...but thats pretty disrespectful to your best guy, to not trust him for one more out there, just because theres an opportunity to pad Jims stats. Tommy being pissed is justified.

Also, pretty obvious in the first pitch of that at bat to Lind, that he needed a changeup in there somewhere. That stuff happens, but Tommy or Matt need to read that swing.

Great game, but Buck, comeon man...whats your deal with Jim?

If he gets Reyes or Encarncion or Lind out or doesn't give up two runs, he finishes the game. Have absolutely no problem with Buck pulling him. I'd have done the same thing.

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