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The difference between some of these guys like Snyder and Jerry Jones is that while they both meddle like Peter, they NEVER cry poor. They put effort and money towards championships - the kind of effort that has not been seen in Baltimore in a while.

Loria cries poor even though he himself isn't but his team doesn't make any money. Although I wonder if he and PA are long lost brothers.

The one thing that pisses me off about Angelos is that I truly think he has no idea what he's doing. He claims he wants this team to be a contender. He created his own RSN to generate money to keep up with the rest of baseball. He even hired two more-than-competent people to run the team in Buck and Dan! But what does he really want for this team? If he wants to be competitive he needs to wake up and realize that contracts are different now than they were in the 90's. MLB is raking in the cash and so is he and his investors. It's like he wants to spend juuuust enough money to have the team be competitive enough to keep the fanbase off his back (which has only happened the last two years) and maximize his profits.

If that is the case then he really isn't a businessman. He should know that you have to spend money to make money. The fanbase here is itching for a consistent winner. They will pack the yard throughout the summer and merchandise sales will go through the roof (well, looks like they already did) if you give them a reason to.

The worst might be his statements to the media through Dan and Buck about us being on this budget and how we're not the Yankees and how we're in a limited market. Does he think we're stupid? Get with the program Pete - we know this isn't a limited market! Anyone can get on Google, do a little research and figure that out. It's just sad that he spews that garbage to the media whenever the fanbase gets agitated thinking that will calm them down or something.

I'm fine competing on a 100M budget because it is definitely possible. But you need to take more of a Tampa/Oakland model now if you're going to with the way salaries are on the open market and in arbitration these days. And I have the feeling that PA would not approve of trading Wieters, Hardy, Markakis, and Davis while they're in their prime and we're still "competing" with them.

We can't have our cake and eat it too. And if we do it's only for 2-3 years until our better players hit free agency.

/end rant

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When you have a sport predicated upon absurd contracts and an owner that doesn't spend, it becomes very easy to turn sour. I have minimum desire to even pay attention to baseball in 2014 at this point. Where the only hope is to catch lightning in a bottle for the second time in three years. Unreliable and unrealistic.

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He's a business man and a damn good one. He knows how to make enormous amounts of money and he's doing just that. He doesn't have the slightest care in the world about winning baseball games or what a sports team means to fans and a city. He's the worst thing that can happen to a professional franchise and he's all ours...

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The offseason is very frustrating so far, and I don't know why the front office thinks we need to be Tampa Bay or Oakland, and I don't know why some fans want us to be Tampa Bay or Oakland, but on the other hand....

...it's the offseason.

Toronto had a great offseason last year. Miami had a great offseason the year before.

I'm upset about the offseason, but I'll save any outrage for the actual season.

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Agree 100% but how did he screw over Moose? They offered a 5/60 deal. Yankees offered 6/88.5. Yeah the O's cheated him on his first FA years in 2007-2000.. But they were offering good numbers after 2000. Yankees did full court press on him. So it wasn't a surprise he was leaving. But he should have resisted temptation.

Moose wanted to sign in the Spring before the season started. Angelos nickle and dimed him, like always, trying to get yet ANOTHER hometown discount. Angelos didn't up the offer until after the season and after New York started winking at Moose. The Mussina situation is the one thing that I will never, ever defend Angelos or the Orioles for. He would have been a lifelong Oriole had Peter not gotten cheap with him.

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Mussina was a greedy douchbag who went in search of a quick ring and gleefully failed at it. Screw him.

On the other hand, Jon Miller--that's what raises my ire about Angelos. That Jon Miller is not still calling Orioles games is all on Petey, and I'm still angry about it years later.

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Mussina was a greedy douchbag who went in search of a quick ring and gleefully failed at it. Screw him.

On the other hand, Jon Miller--that's what raises my ire about Angelos. That Jon Miller is not still calling Orioles games is all on Petey, and I'm still angry about it years later.

Wow!

So Cal was a free agent I believe the year after his father was fired as the Orioles manager after 6 games into the 88 season. According to several reports and interviews with Cal himself, he was very irritated at the Orioles over that and heavily considered leaving Baltimore. Had he left, would Cal also be a greedy dbag? I would think blood is thicker than water and he had the right to say screw you to Baltimore. I think Moose had that same right, ESPECIALLY after taking a hometown discount for his first free agent deal.

I think this is the thing that a lot of people ignore, and its one of the reasons I don't completely hate Angelos. This organization was being run very poorly long before Peter bought the team. Our farm system has been a disgrace since the mid to late 80's. Now, its not okay for Peter to say I didn't cause the problem and then not fix it since then, but I think people don't realize or fail to remember that the "Oriole Way" had died long before 1992.

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Mussina was a greedy douchbag who went in search of a quick ring and gleefully failed at it. Screw him.

On the other hand, Jon Miller--that's what raises my ire about Angelos. That Jon Miller is not still calling Orioles games is all on Petey, and I'm still angry about it years later.

Read Dipper's reply above you. Seriously this kind of thought is ludicrous. The Orioles had ample time to resign Mussina, but they got cheap. They let him hit free agency and lost him to the Yankees. It is crazy to expect any player to walk away from 50% more just to stay with the team that was in no hurry to pay them their due.

If you made 60K a year doing your job and your company stopped giving you raises. Would you consider a 90K offer from the competitor doing what you already do? Unless the answer is no...

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I feel like DD needs to get approval for every player signing no matter how small. Angelos probably stalls so long that everyone is gone by the time the Orioles make an offer. I was shocked when the Orioles were able to make all those trades during the trading deadline last year. It seem liked things had changed but we are back to Angelos old ways. We only can sign guys no one else wants on their team.

There is no use getting upset about it. I knew this is what would happen this year based on what happened last year. You have to accept the team is going to be cheap and either root for the Orioles despite this or stop following the team.

They say hitting a baseball is the hardest thing in sports. I think that is lie. The hardest thing in sports is to get Angelos to open up his wallet.

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Wow!

So Cal was a free agent I believe the year after his father was fired as the Orioles manager after 6 games into the 88 season. According to several reports and interviews with Cal himself, he was very irritated at the Orioles over that and heavily considered leaving Baltimore. Had he left, would Cal also be a greedy dbag? I would think blood is thicker than water and he had the right to say screw you to Baltimore. I think Moose had that same right, ESPECIALLY after taking a hometown discount for his first free agent deal.

I think this is the thing that a lot of people ignore, and its one of the reasons I don't completely hate Angelos. This organization was being run very poorly long before Peter bought the team. Our farm system has been a disgrace since the mid to late 80's. Now, its not okay for Peter to say I didn't cause the problem and then not fix it since then, but I think people don't realize or fail to remember that the "Oriole Way" had died long before 1992.

Yeah, but Cal didn't leave. Cal had a sense of loyalty to the fans who cheered for him that Mussina never had. It just goes to show that Cal was twice the man Mike was.

Mussina had me (as a teenager at the time, mind you) and most every other Orioles fan hating poor Cito Gaston. For a situation that wasn't really even Cito's fault. The fans invested their love in Mike and he spit in their face. Call me irrational all you want, and maybe you'd be right about it, but grasping for the quick ring--especially from the MFYs--I lost every single bit of respect I had for the man.

I'll be honest, if Mike had chosen any one of the 28 other teams in the equation, I would still have respect for the man and wished him well. The Yankees was a deal breaker.

And frankly, in retrospect, the Yankees overpaid for Mussina. They paid for him to be an ace quality starter. He gave them solid numbers, but he was no ace. So really the joke was on them.

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