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Glavine and Maddux are lumped together because I think they were both more cerebral than Smoltz was...not to say that Smoltz wasn't, but Glavine and Maddux weren't power pitchers like Smoltz was.

I actually think this is a pretty satisfactory answer. I buy it.

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I don't want to start a thread venting over the latest HOF votes. But I will ad this one bit here: How in the heck did Armando Benitez get 0.2% of the vote? HOF and Armando Benitez should never be mentioned in the same sentence (except this one). That voter needs to be disclosed and publicly ridiculed forever.

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Maybe it is because Mussina is a well known douche and the writers were sticking it to him.

First of all, any writer who lets a player's attitude towards the media affect his vote shouldn't have a vote. Second of all, Mussina reportedly mellowed considerably during his time in New York and was well respected by the media there in the end. Third, I wonder how many of the 571 voters ever even met Mussina personally. Far less than half, I'd bet.

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Being selfish...I don't want Mussina in the HOF because I think it's 90% certain that he'd go in as a Yankee. I say that because most of his totals are about 50/50 between the two clubs. He won 20 games with NYY and he appeared in many more play-off games and national TV games with the NYY. I think outside of Baltimore that he is more known as a NYY. We know that the sport's media is NY centric and lastly I believe that he wants to go in as a NYY due to the potential $ are much greater. Just my opinion.

Plus: how weird would it be after many years of most fans resenting him for going to NYY to now have a ceremony where PA pays for a statue and his number goes up on the stadium. That would be surreal.

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Plus: how weird would it be after many years of most fans resenting him for going to NYY to now have a ceremony where PA pays for a statue and his number goes up on the stadium. That would be surreal.

I would be very surprised if the O's give Mussina a statue, regardless of whether he ends up in the HOF.

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Being selfish...I don't want Mussina in the HOF because I think it's 90% certain that he'd go in as a Yankee. I say that because most of his totals are about 50/50 between the two clubs. He won 20 games with NYY and he appeared in many more play-off games and national TV games with the NYY. I think outside of Baltimore that he is more known as a NYY. We know that the sport's media is NY centric and lastly I believe that he wants to go in as a NYY due to the potential $ are much greater. Just my opinion.

Plus: how weird would it be after many years of most fans resenting him for going to NYY to now have a ceremony where PA pays for a statue and his number goes up on the stadium. That would be surreal.

I would be very surprised if the O's give Mussina a statue' date=' regardless of whether he ends up in the HOF.[/quote']

Did PA pay for the statues or was that MSA money?

His O's career is a bit more impressive then his time with the Yanks but I think it is close enough that will let him pick his hat, and I think he picks NY. No O's hat, no statue.

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I would be very surprised if the O's give Mussina a statue, regardless of whether he ends up in the HOF.

Really? This opinion surprises me. I can't imagine a scenario wherein he is a HOF as an Orioles and they don't treat him as they have the other O's in the HOF. That would be such an obviously personal and petty thing to do. I just can't see that.

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Look no further than career WHIP. 1.19 versus 1.31. That is an enormous difference, especially over 4,000-ish innings.

I mean, the best case for Glavine is saying that even though he had a bad WHIP over his career and didn't really strike people out, he still managed a strong ERA and a lot of wins. (He did win a few silver sluggers plus a WS MVP, so he's got that going for him.)

Mussina was indeed significantly better. I guess 300 wins is magical... even more than winning percentage. Or ERA+. Or K/9. Or WHIP. Or anything that matters.

I still can't get over 92% votes for Glavine versus only 20% for Moose. What are these voters looking at?

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True. The guys with the statues were ingrained in the community and/or were LEGENDS in Baltimore. Mussina is neither of those things.

They are the guys that went into the HoF wearing O's hats(current team).

Was Murray more ingrained in the community or more of a legend then Paul Blair? Heck Dempsey meets your qualifications.

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Did PA pay for the statues or was that MSA money?

His O's career is a bit more impressive then his time with the Yanks but I think it is close enough that will let him pick his hat, and I think he picks NY. No O's hat, no statue.

I'm pretty sure that I heard/read that PA paid for them. I could be mistaken though. I'm sure someone else on the boards knows for sure.

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