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The Comp draft pick is hurting free agency.


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Good points. I agree the agents misjudged how the comp pick would effect the player's value. But is still unfair and needs to be fixed in the next CBA. Something as simple as freeing up the slot money, or making all first round picks protected, might work.

How about make all free agent signings require giving up a first round pick? I don't see how it has really effected free agent signings. Only 4 players you could argue it has effected at all Cruz, Morales, Drew, and Santana. Cruz is a PED user who is limited in playing in the field. Morales has a severe injury history and is pretty much limited to DH. I don't think either guy would have gotten more than 14 million per year if there was no draft pick. I don't know what Drew and Santana are asking for but I would think they must be asking for more than they are worth. I don't think it has anything to do with the picks. Jiminez got a sweet deal. Cano got a great deal etc. etc.

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Not sure how best to improve it but I think the ideal setup is one where there is a compensation systems that causes some pain to the team signing the free agent and gives some benefit to the team losing the free agent if the structure of MLB remains as it.

In a perfect world there'd be a more free market approach for players but I think it would be dangerous if it didn't also come with a free market approach for teams as well. I.e. don't tie Mike Trout to the Angels for 6 years and don't prevent Tampa Bay from moving to a market like say Brooklyn simply to protect an existing teams market. Experiment by going all-in on a true free market approach and let the chips fall where they may.

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I am not seeing what is unfair about 14 million for a year's work.

Not all players worth less than a QO should be compelled to take a one year contract. Had the pick not been attached to them most of the frozen five would have gotten 3-5 years at close to the QO. The fact that someone like Garza is immune because he happened to be trade is unfair. Players have no control over these things. If you are a good player and you have reached FA at around 30 or so you should have a right to negotiate a contract at a fair market value. The QO pick makes it unfair. Only the marquee level players like Ellsbury or Choo, e.g., aren't hurt by QO, because teams in their market can afford to give up picks.

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Not all players worth less than a QO should be compelled to take a one year contract. Had the pick not been attached to them most of the frozen five would have gotten 3-5 years at close to the QO. The fact that someone like Garza is immune because he happened to be trade is unfair. Players have no control over these things. If you are a good player and you have reached FA at around 30 or so you should have a right to negotiate a contract at a fair market value. The QO pick makes it unfair. Only the marquee level players like Ellsbury or Choo, e.g., aren't hurt by QO, because teams in their market can afford to give up picks.

They had enough control to vote for it.

You are acting as though this wasn't collectively bargained.

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What is the purpose of the QO? To try to achieve more parity. The effect has been to prevent smaller market teams from signing mid level FA players and letting only big market teams have a chance to sign the top level FA.

Incorrect.

The purpose of the QO is to limit player salaries.

The supplemental draft choices are to help achieve more parity.

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Nobody, players, management, or agents anticipated this effect. It will be adjusted.

How could you not anticipate this effect?

You can make an argument that people didn't anticipate the magnitude of the effect but to not anticipate that decreasing the pool of players that are attached to compensation would increase the effect of that compensation is ridiculous.

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What is the purpose of the QO? To try to achieve more parity. The effect has been to prevent smaller market teams from signing mid level FA players and letting only big market teams have a chance to sign the top level FA.

On the other hand, the small to mid-market teams are able to gain compensatory picks by offering the QO (which at this point has a 100% decline rate). The effect of this appears mainly to be the mid-tier type free agents. In a lot of cases it may have been more advisable for the free agent to negotiate with his current team.

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The comp-draft pick is a collectively bargained process to get rid of the type designations of free agents, which will continue to be compensated for as they always have. Much better than having middle relievers as free agents that receive compensation because they are designated type A or type B. I am waiting for a player to accept a qualifying offer. It will then get much smoother for all.

Didn't David Ortiz accept the qualifying offer a couple years ago... I could be wrong.

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How could you not anticipate this effect?

You can make an argument that people didn't anticipate the magnitude of the effect but to not anticipate that decreasing the pool of players that are attached to compensation would increase the effect of that compensation is ridiculous.

Of course all parties knew. Maybe not the agents and their players. But the union sure did.

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On the other hand, the small to mid-market teams are able to gain compensatory picks by offering the QO (which at this point has a 100% decline rate). The effect of this appears mainly to be the mid-tier type free agents. In a lot of cases it may have been more advisable for the free agent to negotiate with his current team.

Did you mention that 100 percent of offers had been rejected? Yes, yes you did. I might mention that a couple of those offers were extended to impair the FAs ability to maket themselves to other teams and some to receive compensation where it was undeserved.

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