Bottom line we need a real closer.

[Reboulet'sStache]

Or the correlation between 80% GB rate and save rate.

So you are at least admitting that there probably is a correlation between SO % and save rate?

And I'd be willing to grant that guys that have a 80% GB rate, probably do well. But very few guys do because it isn't sustainable. Even if it is from your individual performance rate, the turnover in defense would change that. When we have a new SS next year, would you rather Britton strike out more batters, or keep having him rely on the non-Hardy out there? If Britton pitched for the Yankees, would you rather him strike out more batters, or be relying on Jeter and Roberts to make the plays on the ground balls?

[Orioles2012]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/league/al/sort/blownSaves/type/expanded/order/true

Now tied for 2nd in blown saves. This Pen needs help.

Yeah, they may be tied for 2nd in blown saves, , but they are middle of the pack in save percentage. So the closer isnt really a big issue here.

The big issue here is that the team has a 5.2 ERA in the 7th inning (worst of all innings) whereas the 8th and 9th innings are the two best innings. Obviously our best guys are going in this spot.

We need to find someone to fill in that spot there.

[Pickles]

So you are at least admitting that there probably is a correlation between SO % and save rate?

And I'd be willing to grant that guys that have a 80% GB rate' date=' probably do well. But very few guys do because it isn't sustainable. Even if it is from your individual performance rate, the turnover in defense would change that. When we have a new SS next year, would you rather Britton strike out more batters, or keep having him rely on the non-Hardy out there? If Britton pitched for the Yankees, would you rather him strike out more batters, or be relying on Jeter and Roberts to make the plays on the ground balls?[/quote']

Of course. See the post above.

[Pickles]

Kimbrel has a 15 K/9 and is 30/34 in save chances. SO pitchers indeed blow saves.

How can that be??? If we had a "strikeout" pitcher for a closer we'd never lose games.

[CaptainRedbeard]

Koji Uehara

6/22/14 @ OAK: 2 IP, 2 ER, 2 HR, BS (Scavenged a W, however)

7/10/14 vs CWS: 1 IP, 2 ER, 1 HR, BS

Happens to everybody. Even supposedly infallible 39 year old closers with injury problems, who you'd have to give a boatload of prospects to your division rival to get.

[Reboulet'sStache]

Of course. See the post above.

And I've also acknowledged that. I've said, if we are going to have a closer, Britton is the best option of what we got.

We just shouldn't have a closer, but should instead keep playing match up baseball until the game is over. Britton should not have been pitching to a guy that destroys lefties.

And people shouldn't be shocked that a guy that pitches to contact, has singles fall in.

[Guest]

18 save opportunity and Britton has blown 3 that's a red flag. SO closer are just better.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/closers

[Guest]

How can that be??? If we had a "strikeout" pitcher for a closer we'd never lose games.

Kimbrel has 34 save opportunity. Britton has blown 3 in 18 Huge red flag.

[centralpaosfan]

Kimbrel has a 15 K/9 and is 30/34 in save chances. SO pitchers indeed blow saves.

Aroldis Chapman has an 18.2 K/9 and has blown 2 saves (same # as Britton).

[centralpaosfan]

What flamethrower do those with pitchforks suggest we go out and get?

[Guest]

Aroldis Chapman has an 18.2 K/9 and has blown 2 saves (same # as Britton).

Dude got nailed in the head 1 of those came when he was just coming back. Chapman is 21 for 23 Britton 15 for 18.

[Pickles]

And I've also acknowledged that. I've said' date=' if we are going to have a closer, Britton is the best option of what we got.

We just shouldn't have a closer, but should instead keep playing match up baseball until the game is over. Britton should not have been pitching to a guy that destroys lefties.

And people shouldn't be shocked that a guy that pitches to contact, has singles fall in.[/quote']

Your still going to lose games like this playing "matchup."

And I think the reason they don't do it is because the players prefer and perform better with defined roles.

[Reboulet'sStache]

Kimbrel has a 15 K/9 and is 30/34 in save chances. SO pitchers indeed blow saves.

Wouldn't that save % still be higher than britton's?

[Guest]

Wouldn't that save % still be higher than britton's?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/closers

You gotta go down a long way to see Britton name.

[Pickles]

Wouldn't that save % still be higher than britton's?

That's true. Britton isn't as good as the best in the game. It's cause he "pitches to contact."