Was ERod too much for Andrew Miller

[wildbillhiccup]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

 

Apparently it’s you guys who forget.    The Orioles did not lose either of the first two games of that series by one run, though they were both close games.    

In any event, I don’t think people have forgotten how good that team was.    It was the best team the O’s have had since 1997.    We all know that.   But it doesn’t change my opinion that the short-term advantage of having Miller wasn’t worth the long-term advantage of having EdRod.    And as I’ve said, reasonable minds can differ on this.   

"Reasonable minds" can differ on many things, including this. To imply that someone isn't reasonable because they have a different opinion than you is a very naive sentiment. 

[Reboulet'sStache]

The only thing worse than the trade is the idea that we should have tied up all that money into Miller. 
We should never have a lot of money tied into a bullpen arm beyond a one year deal.

[Frobby]

Bump....

My mind turned to this subject when EdRod won a game a couple days ago.    He’s now 40-29 for Boston, ERA+ of 106, valued at 8.3 rWAR.     And he still has 2.5 years to go until he’s a free agent.    Seems like he’s been pitching up there forever, though he never seems to stay healthy for 162 games.   

[eddie83]

I have no idea what factors played into DD’s mind but for me the way ownership operated I get going for it. 

The odds that you were ever going to build a long term contender like a St Louis were very poor. There was a window and he went for it. If we had a modern thinking owner who was open to doing things the right way -like I hope now- then maybe I would feel different. 

[interloper]

17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Bump....

My mind turned to this subject when EdRod won a game a couple days ago.    He’s now 40-29 for Boston, ERA+ of 106, valued at 8.3 rWAR.     And he still has 2.5 years to go until he’s a free agent.    Seems like he’s been pitching up there forever, though he never seems to stay healthy for 162 games.   

Honestly, he seems pretty underrated around baseball especially being on the Red Sox. 

He wasn't doing well here when we traded him and that's almost certainly entirely the Orioles' fault at the time with regards to their pitcher development. 

Oh well! Miller was fun while we had him.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

Honestly, he seems pretty underrated around baseball especially being on the Red Sox. 

He wasn't doing well here when we traded him and that's almost certainly entirely the Orioles' fault at the time with regards to their pitcher development. 

Oh well! Miller was fun while we had him.

Or, you know, the lingering effects of the injury he had suffered that year.

[baltfan]

Still have zero issue with this trade.  He was amazing and if we would have won it would have been in large part because of him. 

[weams]

8 minutes ago, baltfan said:

Still have zero issue with this trade.  He was amazing and if we would have won it would have been in large part because of him. 

Zach Britton had a baby and the balls bounced funny. 

[LookinUp]

47 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Bump....

My mind turned to this subject when EdRod won a game a couple days ago.    He’s now 40-29 for Boston, ERA+ of 106, valued at 8.3 rWAR.     And he still has 2.5 years to go until he’s a free agent.    Seems like he’s been pitching up there forever, though he never seems to stay healthy for 162 games.   

Roughly 8-10 wins a year and a 106 ERA+. I feel like if you told me that was what he would be at the time of the trade, I'd have been more ok with the trade, not less. That should be replaceable by a good franchise. We did not, of course, but that's because we were a dumpster fire.

[El_Duderino]

The real issue is we gave Millers money to Oday.

[sportsfan8703]

8 minutes ago, El_Duderino said:

The real issue is we gave Millers money to Oday.

I don't think DD wanted to sign either of them.  O'day was a Brady/PA/Buck sign.  

I'd still make that trade in 14'.  Miller was lights out and we don't beat Detroit without him.  

[LTO's]

He's not a TOR type pitcher. Any competent franchise should able to replace his production. Now given how embarrassing the previous regime was at creating a consistent talent pipeline/accurately assessing free agent pitching, it's fair to question whether it was too much. But at face value, it wasn't too much at all.

[El_Duderino]

9 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I don't think DD wanted to sign either of them.  O'day was a Brady/PA/Buck sign.  

I'd still make that trade in 14'.  Miller was lights out and we don't beat Detroit without him.  

Oh ya. I make that trade again, no doubt. 

[Tx Oriole]

6 minutes ago, El_Duderino said:

Oh ya. I make that trade again, no doubt. 

Gosh I can’t believe that’s been 5 years ago. 

[interloper]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Or, you know, the lingering effects of the injury he had suffered that year.

Or what I said, which is just as plausible.