Markakis on 2nd, 1 out, Jones at the plate....

[El Gordo]

Ted Williams knew more about hitting than any one who ever lived.

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Teddy Ballgame had exceptional natural skills as well as his "science". No doubt he was helpful to other elite hitters like Tony Gwynn and Yaz. But not every player has the skill set to employ his science IMO. I think Presley is good at getting the most out of what a player has. Not every O has an aggressive approach. But given their skill set most of them benefit from that approach. I don't think Ted Williams could make Jones a better hitter. He is what he is IMO. As Presley says he could take more walks and hit less HR. Is that really desirable?

[tntoriole]

Teddy Ballgame had exceptional natural skills as well as his "science". No doubt he was helpful to other elite hitters like Tony Gwynn and Yaz. But not every player has the skill set to employ his science IMO. I think Presley is good at getting the most out of what a player has. Not every O has an aggressive approach. But given their skill set most of them benefit from that approach. I don't think Ted Williams could make Jones a better hitter. He is what he is IMO. As Presley says he could take more walks and hit less HR. Is that really desirable?

Oh I agree. Modern players and Ted Williams are not a match. Major league millionaires are of the belief that they know themselves best and are not really instructed, more like having a therapist as coach to listen to you, give you logistical support with film, etc, support your decisions, etc. I don't agree that Adam would hit less homers if he were more selective, i.e. more walks. I think Frank Robby and Eddie Murray would have hit fewer homeruns if they swung at as many bad pitches as Adam does and pitchers knew for a fact that they could likely get them out with pitches out of the zone. I think Adam going from 19 walks to 60-70 would likely increase his homers. It would be useful to know how many of his 130 strikeouts were on pitches out of the strike zone.

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[Can_of_corn]

Oh I agree. Modern players and Ted Williams are not a match. Major league millionaires are of the belief that they know themselves best and are not really instructed, more like having a therapist as coach to listen to you, give you logistical support with film, etc, support your decisions, etc. I don't agree that Adam would hit less homers if he were more selective, i.e. more walks. I think Frank Robby and Eddie Murray would have hit fewer homeruns if they swung at as many bad pitches as Adam does and pitchers knew for a fact that they could likely get them out with pitches out of the zone. I think Adam going from 19 walks to 60-70 would likely increase his homers. It would be useful to know how many of his 130 strikeouts were on pitches out of the strike zone.

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I haven't bothered to check this season but historically Jones' OPS goes down the deeper into the count he gets. This is true even if he is ahead in the count.

[tntoriole]

You ever read the Book Of Five Rings?

"Know the smallest things and the biggest things, the shallowest things and the deepest things. As if it were a straight road mapped out on the ground ... These things cannot be explained in detail. From one thing, know ten thousand things. When you attain the Way of strategy there will not be one thing you cannot see. You must study hard."

Ted Williams started the modern theory of bat speed as the most important part of power generation. He talked about reducing his bat weight where previously very heavy bats were believed essential for power. He would bake his bats and keep them in drying containers. He was the first hitter to ever use batting gloves and to use pine tar to improve grip.

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[weams]

Oh I agree. Modern players and Ted Williams are not a match. Major league millionaires are of the belief that they know themselves best and are not really instructed, more like having a therapist as coach to listen to you, give you logistical support with film, etc, support your decisions, etc. I don't agree that Adam would hit less homers if he were more selective, i.e. more walks. I think Frank Robby and Eddie Murray would have hit fewer homeruns if they swung at as many bad pitches as Adam does and pitchers knew for a fact that they could likely get them out with pitches out of the zone. I think Adam going from 19 walks to 60-70 would likely increase his homers. It would be useful to know how many of his 130 strikeouts were on pitches out of the strike zone.

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I think if Adam walked 80 times he would hit 15 homers.

[tntoriole]

I haven't bothered to check this season but historically Jones' OPS goes down the deeper into the count he gets. This is true even if he is ahead in the count.

Does he do better on 2-0 counts vs. 1-1 and 0-2 counts or is it just the absolute number of pitches that he sees?

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[tntoriole]

I think if Adam walked 80 times he would hit 15 homers.

I disagree but we will certainly never find out .

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[weams]

"Know the smallest things and the biggest things, the shallowest things and the deepest things. As if it were a straight road mapped out on the ground ... These things cannot be explained in detail. From one thing, know ten thousand things. When you attain the Way of strategy there will not be one thing you cannot see. You must study hard."

Ted Williams started the modern theory of bat speed as the most important part of power generation. He talked about reducing his bat weight where previously very heavy bats were believed essential for power. He would bake his bats and keep them in drying containers. He was the first hitter to ever use batting gloves and to use pine tar to improve grip.

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Ted was always great. He did not improve on a linear basis because of hard work or knowledge. He was the Michael Jordan of his sport. I know of no one that he was able to translate his skills to. Not even his son.

[weams]

Does he do better on 2-0 counts vs. 1-1 and 0-2 counts or is it just the absolute number of pitches that he sees?

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As two strike hitters go, Adam is not a bad one.

[Can_of_corn]

Ted was always great. He did not improve on a linear basis because of hard work or knowledge. He was the Michael Jordan of his sport. I know of no one that he was able to translate his skills to. Not even his son.

Which is why I was comparing him to Miyamoto Musashi.

[tntoriole]

Ted was always great. He did not improve on a linear basis because of hard work or knowledge. He was the Michael Jordan of his sport. I know of no one that he was able to translate his skills to. Not even his son.

I am not sure where you get your info about Ted, but everything I have read about him, including his own book and Bradlees exhaustive biography would lead me to say that Ted would certainly disagree with your assessment vehemently, i.e. that he was just natural born as a hitter and didnt work at it. In fact, from a young age and throughout his career, he would hit more balls than anyone ever, he had an encyclopedic knowledge and memory about pitchers and he worked obsessionally at the craft of hitting.

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[Can_of_corn]

I am not sure where you get your info about Ted, but everything I have read about him, including his own book and Bradlees exhaustive biography would lead me to say that Ted would certainly disagree with your assessment vehemently, i.e. that he was just natural born as a hitter and didnt work at it. In fact, from a young age and throughout his career, he would hit more balls than anyone ever, he had an encyclopedic knowledge and memory about pitchers and he worked obsessionally at the craft of hitting.

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He also had 20/10 eyesight and phenomenal reflexes.

Shame he didn't spend more time in the outfield, that is where his game needed the work.

[tntoriole]

It is probably that Adam is just not the truly rare and elite talent of a player like say a Hank Aaron who would hit 49 hrs and strike out 31 times or a Pujols who had a strikeout percentage of less than 10 percent while hitting 40-50 hrs compared to say a Chris Davis or Jones and Adam Dunn, Mark Reynolds types who strike out over 30 percent of the time.

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[weams]

It is probably that Adam is just not the truly rare and elite talent of a player like say a Hank Aaron who would hit 49 hrs and strike out 31 times or a Pujols who had a strikeout percentage of less than 10 percent while hitting 40-50 hrs compared to say a Chris Davis or Jones and Adam Dunn, Mark Reynolds types who strike out over 30 percent of the time.

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To lump Adam with those other examples is a insult to your intellect.

[tntoriole]

He also had 20/10 eyesight and phenomenal reflexes.

Shame he didn't spend more time in the outfield, that is where his game needed the work.

In one game against Milwaukee, the Brewers had the tying run at second base when Donie Bush happened to look out to right field and see Williams swinging his imaginary bat. But this time, his glove wasn?t even on. It was lying on the grass next to him, a useless appendage. Bush stopped the game, sprinted out to Ted, and yelled, ?What?s the idea! This run means the ball game!? Not to worry, the Kid replied. ?That guy never hits to right field" from The Kid, by Ben Bradlee, Jr.

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