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I love flash personally, just never developed hitting wise as much as we thought possible. Turns out he dated my buddy's ex-gf for quite a bit, heard he was a class act.

I do think he has value but figured it was something to discuss.

http://eutawstreetreport.com/hot-take-tuesday-ryan-flaherty-has-little-value-to-the-orioles/

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Aristotelian Hangout Grand Counsel

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Agree that Flaherty has little value as long as everybody else is healthy. But then the article goes on to list a bunch of other guys that have even less value (Rosa, Janish). Flaherty has value as a guy who can back up any position and has some pop from the left side.

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Agree that Flaherty has little value as long as everybody else is healthy. But then the article goes on to list a bunch of other guys that have even less value (Rosa, Janish). Flaherty has value as a guy who can back up any position and has some pop from the left side.

Couldn't agree more. I would try to keep him out of the OF, but he's no worse than Trumbo.

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I think it's a terrible article. Neither UZR or DRS stabilize in the small innings totals at any position Flaherty has played in the past 4 years. And the one where he's played the most, 2nd base he has a positive defensive rating by both. Generally the defensive sub isn't going to get enough practice reps at any position to be as good as an average MLB fielder.

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I think it's a terrible article. Neither UZR or DRS stabilize in the small innings totals at any position Flaherty has played in the past 4 years. And the one where he's played the most, 2nd base he has a positive defensive rating by both. Generally the defensive sub isn't going to get enough practice reps at any position to be as good as an average MLB fielder.

Agreed. His value has always been his ability to play every position, and this article doesn't change that.

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Flash was hitting decent in Spring Training with regular plate appearances. He had really worked on his opposite field stroke.

It's hard to keep that going playing hardly ever.

Flash hit decent when he played every day for Manny in 2014.

You will always have the guys like Lenny Sakata and that to the majority of the fans, they have no value, and since they play all over, metrics cant analyze them, compared to every day position players.

Flash has value in Buck's eyes and that is why he has been here for 4 years in this position.

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295 players have accumulated 1,000 or more PAs since 2012, including "Flash." In that time, Flaherty is 277th in wOBA, 277th in wRC+, 253rd in SLG, and 290th in BA. Whatever defensive flexibility he offers doesn't outweigh the fact that he's a pretty miserable ML hitter, and Buck has used him as more than a defensive sub. And he's making $1.5 million this year.

Ah well...at least they're not paying him like Hardy.

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295 players have accumulated 1,000 or more PAs since 2012, including "Flash." In that time, Flaherty is 277th in wOBA, 277th in wRC+, 253rd in SLG, and 290th in BA. Whatever defensive flexibility he offers doesn't outweigh the fact that he's a pretty miserable ML hitter, and Buck has used him as more than a defensive sub. And he's making $1.5 million this year.

Ah well...at least they're not paying him like Hardy.

In 2014 when he was playing every day in Sept and Oct, he hit .288 and an OPS of .804 and he also had a decent post season too.

Not playing regularly has to impact his batting. Not everybody is like the Crow and can hit coming off the bench.

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In 2014 when he was playing every day in Sept and Oct, he hit .288 and an OPS of .804 and he also had a decent post season too.

Not playing regularly has to impact his batting. Not everybody is like the Crow and can hit coming off the bench.

So...the counterargument to his career-long body of work is that he had two good months in a row two years ago? Of course, it was actually 25 games (and 19 starts) that encompassed about 7% of the PAs he's accumulated over his entire career.

But hey...regular playing time for those 3-4 weeks really seemed to suit him...

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So...the counterargument to his career-long body of work is that he had two good months in a row two years ago? Of course, it was actually 25 games (and 19 starts) that encompassed about 7% of the PAs he's accumulated over his entire career.

But hey...regular playing time for those 3-4 weeks really seemed to suit him...

Didn't he play regularly when Schoop was hurt?

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Flaherty has great value. To the Orioles. He could start everyday at 3B,2B,SS and not hurt the team and has some pop from the left side. Who cares about his trade value?

He's not a fun name to put in a "made up" trade package to land a SP. Yeah, he's not that. #heanugget

Considering he was below replacement last year, and is below replacement this year I am not sure how he will not hurt the team if he were to start everyday.

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Considering he was below replacement last year, and is below replacement this year I am not sure how he will not hurt the team if he were to start everyday.

He would be an obvious downgrade from Manny, Schoop, or JJ, sure. He is still probably better than the next man up, except perhaps Janish at SS. He put up 1.0 WAR replacing Manny in 2014 and made some key plays in the DET series at 3B. Killed us with the bat but I would not say he hurt the team relative to the alternatives.

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