Can you fill out the O's roster for less than $10M?

[weams]

i could see DD picking up a rule 5, salary dump or DFA to slot in somewhere too.

Me too. I believe that anyone predicting a payroll increase will be sorely disappointed.

[PaOsFan]

Joseph as your starter? Michael Bourn making 5M and an everyday starter? The same Michael Bourn who has been replacement level the last 3 years and is going to be 34?

Joseph did fine in 2015 and was hurt this year. I think he gets some slack there, but in any case we have some minor league catchers with promise and not a lot of money. Why not use them instead of bringing in someone that may be .200? Joseph is better than hundley imo if by nothing else than age/potential.

Bourn maybe isn't an everyday starter but i think he'd stick for defense more than Kim would play everyday. Bring in a Rickard or Reimold type for lefties and defensive backup for Kim. He plays CF and can give Jones a needed break. How much do you think he'd made? Pierce got about that after his crappy year with us.

[backwardsk]

Me too. I believe that anyone predicting a payroll increase will be sorely disappointed.

That was your mantra last offseason, too, correct?

[Babypowder]

Joseph did fine in 2015 and was hurt this year. I think he gets some slack there, but in any case we have some minor league catchers with promise and not a lot of money. Why not use them instead of bringing in someone that may be .200? Joseph is better than hundley imo if by nothing else than age/potential.

Bourn maybe isn't an everyday starter but i think he'd stick for defense more than Kim would play everyday. Bring in a Rickard or Reimold type for lefties and defensive backup for Kim. He plays CF and can give Jones a needed break. How much do you think he'd made? Pierce got about that after his crappy year with us.

Pearce was also 1 year removed from an elite season. His disastrous 2015 was still as productive as the season Bourn just finished in 2/3 the playing time. Michael Bourn has been bad for a while now. I wouldn't want him back at anything significantly more than league minimum.

He's replacement level, a 25th roster spot type.

[24fps]

That was your mantra last offseason, too, correct?

Did anyone predict a significant payroll increase last offseason? I remember the discussions revolving around $125 million max until toward the end.

[backwardsk]

Did anyone predict a significant payroll increase last offseason? I remember the discussions revolving around $125 million max until toward the end.

I don't recall. Though I remember some predicting payroll would drop to around $100M.

[weams]

That was your mantra last offseason, too, correct?

Last year I expected a decrease. I never though Davis would be resigned. I sure don't expect an increase after the attendance.

[weams]

Did anyone predict a significant payroll increase last offseason? I remember the discussions revolving around $125 million max until toward the end.

I was thinking that the payroll might go down last year. I never expected Wieters back either.

[weams]

I don't recall. Though I remember some predicting payroll would drop to around $100M.

I was a 105 to 108 guy.

[24fps]

I was thinking that the payroll might go down last year. I never expected Wieters back either.

My personal crackpot theory is that Wieters' unexpected (by the Orioles as well) acceptance of the QO was the first domino in a short line that ended with a payroll at least $25 million more than was originally projected. Had he signed elsewhere the 2016 team may have looked much different although still with CD at 1B.

[Bradysburns]

My personal crackpot theory is that Wieters' unexpected (by the Orioles as well) acceptance of the QO was the first domino in a short line that ended with a payroll at least $25 million more than was originally projected. Had he signed elsewhere the 2016 team may have looked much different although still with CD at 1B.

I laughed at this - and then agreed completely. No way they expected Wieters to accept the QO. I wonder if they test the waters again. It would be hilarious if they did, and he accepted again. So he winds up with a 10-year contract, essentially, at the QO each year.

[DrungoHazewood]

We would not have won 89 games without Matt. We would have been a .500 team at best.

Your analysis indicates that Wieters isn't the 1.5-2 win player suggested by common flavors of WAR, but was in fact among the best players in Major League Baseball?

[Can_of_corn]

Your analysis indicates that Wieters isn't the 1.5-2 win player suggested by common flavors of WAR, but was in fact among the best players in Major League Baseball?

Subtract 2 wins for Wieters absence.

Joseph was a -1 win in 49 games. You double his games played and that is another lost win.

Pena was also below replacement. Figure him for at least -1 WAR with the increased playing time.

That gets you down to 85 wins.

Now if you look at the O's pythag they were only an 84 win team from a run differential perspective.

I can see where taking an 84 pythag team and replacing Wieters' production with a pair of below replacement players could lead to an 81 win season.

[DrungoHazewood]

Subtract 2 wins for Wieters absence.

Joseph was a -1 win in 49 games. You double his games played and that is another lost win.

Pena was also below replacement. Figure him for at least -1 WAR with the increased playing time.

That gets you down to 85 wins.

Now if you look at the O's pythag they were only an 84 win team from a run differential perspective.

I can see where taking an 84 pythag team and replacing Wieters' production with a pair of below replacement players could lead to an 81 win season.

Yes, if you're measuring from a baseline of three wins below replacement and halfway suggesting that Wieters' ability as a good luck charm directly led to +3 in Pythag, then, sure, Wieters is an 8-win player.

[Can_of_corn]

Yes, if you're measuring from a baseline of three wins below replacement and halfway suggesting that Wieters' ability as a good luck charm directly led to +3 in Pythag, then, sure, Wieters is an 8-win player.

What was Wieters WPA this season? He did figure disproportionately in the teams victories given his overall contributions. I was merely trying to reflect that.