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There's ZERO chance I'd trade Schoop in any deal for Dozier. Especially considering the other areas of need and the dollars that will be needed to fill those needs. Trading a promising power hitting 25 yo 2nd basemen with a laser arm for a 30 yo guy coming off a career year??? You woulda been laughed off the board at the all star break.....

Besides, you realize Dozier wasn't even in the majors at 24, right? I know Dozier hit more HR's this past year, but let's not forget the .246 career BA and the fact that he'll be 30 next year. Schoop was batting .284 in late August and hit a bad stretch. Their numbers were almost identical at the end of July, except Schoop was batting almost 30 points higher. Dozier went nuts and hit more than half his home runs in a wicked 47 game stretch.

For a trade, I keep going back to trading Manny. Sounds crazy (to some), but I think they can compete without him with the main risk being how it would effect the team chemistry. In my opinion, if they don't extend him this winter, he's gone....and I don't think they extend him this winter. I hope I'm wrong (as long as the price isn't too insane). His value is higher this offseason then next, so.....trade him to the highest bidder. Especially if the Trout rumors are true and the Yankees go after him.

Dozier is a far better player. Schoops ceiling is basically average starter until he figures out how to tell a ball from a strike, which isn't likely to happen.

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This is absurd.

You are really sold on Dozier's career year. Schoop turned 25 last month. Dozier turns 30 in May and played his first major league game one week before his 25th birthday.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/doziebr01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schoojo01.shtml

I don't believe Roy's sentiment is nearly as "absurd" as you think.

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You are really sold on Dozier's career year. Schoop turned 25 last month. Dozier turns 30 in May and played his first major league game one week before his 25th birthday.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/doziebr01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schoojo01.shtml

I don't believe Roy's sentiment is nearly as "absurd" as you think.

Yes, preferring Schoop to EVERY second baseman in the AL is absurd. Schoop was a slightly below average offensive player and average defensively this year. It's going to be hard for him to be much better than average with a walk rate of 3 percent.

As for Dozier, yes this was a career year, but he has been very good for 4 straight years. In all 4 of those years he's had more value than Schoop has ever had. Dozier has averaged over 4 wins a season since 2013. Schoop doesn't even have 4 wins of career value yet.

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Yes, preferring Schoop to EVERY second baseman in the AL is absurd. Schoop was a slightly below average offensive player and average defensively this year. It's going to be hard for him to be much better than average with a walk rate of 3 percent.

As for Dozier, yes this was a career year, but he has been very good for 4 straight years. In all 4 of those years he's had more value than Schoop has ever had. Dozier has averaged over 4 wins a season since 2013. Schoop doesn't even have 4 wins of career value yet.

Again, you are completely overlooking the age difference. Schoop is way ahead of Dozier at the same age. Now, maybe he won't continue to improve, but that is certainly not a certainty. I would hardly call it absurd to think he will continue to improve. I neither fault you for being high on Dozier nor your opinion that Schoop won't improve, but I do question your calling someone else's opinion absurd.

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Again, you are completely overlooking the age difference. Schoop is way ahead of Dozier at the same age. Now, maybe he won't continue to improve, but that is certainly not a certainty. I would hardly call it absurd to think he will continue to improve. I neither fault you for being high on Dozier nor your opinion that Schoop won't improve, but I do question your calling someone else's opinion absurd.

He said he would rather have Jonathan Schoop than any other second baseman in the league... that's absurd. It has nothing to do with my opinion of Brian Dozier. Implying that Jonathan Schoop is the most valuable second baseman in the AL cannot be defended.

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You are really sold on Dozier's career year. Schoop turned 25 last month. Dozier turns 30 in May and played his first major league game one week before his 25th birthday.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/doziebr01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schoojo01.shtml

I don't believe Roy's sentiment is nearly as "absurd" as you think.

Daniel Murphy just had his career year at age 31.

Granted, Murphy's always been a better hitter than Dozier, but Dozier's a much better defensive infielder and 2 years younger.

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Schoop is cheaper and has more years of control, plus they get one of our top 15 prospects. Seems like a fair deal.

Would you trade Manny for a mediocre third baseman and some teams 15 best prospect? Dozier and Mannys WAR was pretty close last year. And Schoop looked really bad the second half. I

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