Pedro back. (Will he opt out?)

[Can_of_corn]

5 hours ago, wildcard said:

The O's can't platoon at LF, RF and DH while keeping a UIF and BC.   There are not enough spots on the 25 man roster.  If Trumbo hits lefties the way he has in his career he is a lot more valuable to the O's than Pedro.

How is that relevant to my assertion that the O's overpaid for Trumbo?

Given how we have seen the market unfold you don't think 2/22 with an option gets it done?  Maybe even less?

Not as if another team was bidding.

[scOtt]

3 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

This is one of those concepts where your Bayesian prior has to be "he's a gonna be terrible".  Seriously, we know it's stretching credibility to think a guy who wasn't good enough to really play third, and didn't impress anyone at first, is going to be anything but a poor outfielder.  He's slow, and he's never played a professional inning in the outfield.  We know he's not even stood in an kind of a game since at least 2008.  Just knowing that I'd pencil him in as a -15 outfielder and then kind of adjust from there with observations and data.

I'm actually going with the idea that the O's are running a kind science experiment to determine the outer limits of modern defensive metrics and tracking systems.  Kind of a baseline of data, what does happen when you put someone fully unqualified to be a major league outfielder in the outfield.  Similar to observing pitchers hitting.  The next iteration will be one involving no second baseman but four outfielders.  All in the name of science.

 

 

[El Gordo]

2 minutes ago, birdwatcher55 said:

With Smith and Alvarez on hand, I wonder if Kim might be moved.

Not unless they are stupid, 

[Enjoy Terror]

Weird to see so many people on this board who "don't get it" or think it's a bad deal. It literally has zero impact on anything; Mancini and Sisco are the only position players who need reps and they have C and 1B/DH on lockdown. There aren't any prospects being blocked in the outfield and if there were they'd play at Bowie anyway. Alvarez is simply going to get outfield reps and if he's any good at it and the O's need a bat in the event they lose Trumbo or Kim or Smith, they have a guy who can DH or maybe play the outfield in a pinch. Or they don't bring him up and bring someone else up; either way, it means diddly squat. It's a minor league deal. I swear people on this board just beg to be up in arms about anything.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Enjoy Terror said:

Weird to see so many people on this board who "don't get it" or think it's a bad deal. It literally has zero impact on anything; Mancini and Sisco are the only position players who need reps and they have C and 1B/DH on lockdown. There aren't any prospects being blocked in the outfield and if there were they'd play at Bowie anyway. Alvarez is simply going to get outfield reps and if he's any good at it and the O's need a bat in the event they lose Trumbo or Kim or Smith, they have a guy who can DH or maybe play the outfield in a pinch. Or they don't bring him up and bring someone else up; either way, it means diddly squat. I swear people on this board just beg to be  up in arms about anything.

Who thinks it's a bad deal?

Main thing I am seeing is pessimism he can make the switch to corner outfield.

[Enjoy Terror]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Who thinks it's a bad deal?

Looking back, it was Jabba72 kvetching, drawn over several comments. I thought it was multiple people.

 

[weams]

 

[Chavez Ravine]

1 hour ago, weams said:

 

I assume that we can trade him...or is there a gentleman's opt out? It seems the market for a slugging DH might pick up in September....or the first time a would be contender puts together a string of shutout losses.

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, weams said:

 

That's comp pick money.

[Frobby]

7 hours ago, Dark Helmet said:

So can Bourn and Gentry.

Bourn can't play at all at the moment.   We won't see him until at least early May, if then.  

[joeyc]

9 hours ago, jabba72 said:

 

I think Tavaraz and Santander deserve a shot. They both unquestionably have more range than Trumbo, Kim and now Alvarez in the OF.  Now it seems like a sure thing they wont be in Baltimore. 

They will both be dl'd. Alvarez will make this club. I don't think he would have signed if he wasn't told that. I could be wrong. I love the guy personally.

[Dr. Unk]

Deep depth....

[PaulFolk]

6 hours ago, El Gordo said:

The point is Buck's judgment and experience is superior to yours. If he feels Rickard is one of our better defenders then he is right and you are wrong.

You realize how silly this comment is, right? By that logic we can never question any of Buck's decisions. I guess we should be praising him for not bringing Britton into the wild card game -- Buck has more experience than us, so clearly he was right and we were wrong.

[El Gordo]

37 minutes ago, PaulFolk said:

You realize how silly this comment is, right? By that logic we can never question any of Buck's decisions. I guess we should be praising him for not bringing Britton into the wild card game -- Buck has more experience than us, so clearly he was right and we were wrong.

You can question any decision you want, but your opinion lacks validity over his, when it comes to evaluating a player's skill levels. It's like some amateur chef criticising Paul Bucose's recipe for bouillabaisse. I see a difference in questioning an in game decision like not bringing in Britton, and questioning his evaluation of a players ability. He sees that player every day for 6 months on and off the field and he has access to proprietary numbers and advice from other experts. I'll take his judgment any day over some fan's eye test, based on far less experience and information. Never confuse a right to your opinion with an entitlement to foolishness.

[Bahama O's Fan]

Didn't he play 3B some. Why not let him concentrate on that so if Hardy is out for a while or if we wanted to put him there next season and move Manny to SS?