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POLL: Yay or nay on Beckham trade?

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POLL: Do you like the Tim Beckham trade?  

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  1. 1. Do you like the Tim Beckham trade?

    • Yes. Beckham is under control through 2020 and could be the SS of the future.
      92
    • No. We should be acquiring prospects, not trading them away.
      24
    • Meh. Nothing lost, nothing gained.
      17

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's like Manny never left.

Manny’s range may have been limited, but after the first week or two, I didn’t see many blunders from him.    He’s basically middle of the pack in fielding percentage.   

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I see no reason to get rid of Beckham this offseason. It's been ugly this year but he's a better all-around package than anybody else we're going to pick up easily. This is a career-worst season for him on both sides of the ball. See if he can snap out of it with more time back at SS. If he can, you've got a decent stop-gap player. If he can't, then yeah let's get a Cesar Izturis type. 

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Just now, Spy Fox said:

I see no reason to get rid of Beckham this offseason. It's been ugly this year but he's a better all-around package than anybody else we're going to pick up easily. This is a career-worst season for him on both sides of the ball. See if he can snap out of it with more time back at SS. If he can, you've got a decent stop-gap player. If he can't, then yeah let's get a Cesar Izturis type. 

He is certainly a left fielder. 

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Manny’s range may have been limited, but after the first week or two, I didn’t see many blunders from him.    He’s basically middle of the pack in fielding percentage.   

Blunders don't just include fielding. Manny made baserunning blunders also.

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8 minutes ago, Natty said:

Blunders don't just include fielding. Manny made baserunning blunders also.

I hadn’t realized you were including  non-fielding blunders with Beckham.   As to Manny’s baserunning, BB-ref has him at slightly above average on the year. He made a couple of dumb mistakes but was 8 of 9 in steals and took an extra base on a single or a double 49% of the time compared to 42% league average.  

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Manny was a terrible baserunner.  His stride and speed allowed him to be slightly above average, but he made dumb mistakes, took poor angles approaching the bag, and loafed it.  Whatever though, he is gone.

As for Beckham, he isn't part of the future.  The sooner he is gone, the better.  I wasn't big on the trade at the time as I liked Myers upside.  Like any good drug, he had a short stint that made me euphoric.  Like any bad drug, I've found myself stuck with him and regretting every time I see him play.  He is talented and could do something to help the club be marginal to awful; but who really cares?  He isn't going to be part of this team if and when it is good again so I'd rather allocate those resources on something useful.  That and if Myers continues the way he has since June 1st, I'd rather not have Beckham's ugly mug around here to remind me what may have been.  

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1 hour ago, Punchandjudy said:

Manny was a terrible baserunner.  His stride and speed allowed him to be slightly above average, but he made dumb mistakes, took poor angles approaching the bag, and loafed it.  Whatever though, he is gone.

As for Beckham, he isn't part of the future.  The sooner he is gone, the better.  I wasn't big on the trade at the time as I liked Myers upside.  Like any good drug, he had a short stint that made me euphoric.  Like any bad drug, I've found myself stuck with him and regretting every time I see him play.  He is talented and could do something to help the club be marginal to awful; but who really cares?  He isn't going to be part of this team if and when it is good again so I'd rather allocate those resources on something useful.  That and if Myers continues the way he has since June 1st, I'd rather not have Beckham's ugly mug around here to remind me what may have been.  

Ugly mug? Yeesh.  I think he's a fine looking guy, but that's as irrelevant as your ugly mug comment.

I say keep him another year, see if he boosts his value, and trade him eventually.

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2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

i worry about Beckham as being the wrong type of player you want around young guys. I’m fine with giving Valera a shot at SS, but really we have nobody else. 

My prediction is that we hang onto Beckham because of what we gave up for him. 

Why, because he smokes?

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34 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Why, because he smokes?

The bad combination of being lousy and having attitude issues. Terrible defense and big time strikeout numbers. Plus he’s arbitration eligible. It’s time to see if we can attract some 4A guys that are looking for a shot. 

Breyvic Valera deserves a chance. .811 OPS in AAA. .374 OBP. 99BB 84K. It’s primarily been in the PCL but you have to like the walk numbers. He’s a team guy that will play anywhere. I’ll watch him play until we find someone better. 

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