6 ways the O's are likely to pursue the 4 starting pitchers they need

[Number5]

20 minutes ago, Frobby said:

There is nothing anywhere that is similar to pitching in Colorado.   Orioles pitchers had a road ERA that was 0.78 worse than at OPACY.   Rockies pitchers had a road ERA that was 0.84 runs/game better than at Coors.

That said, I don’t think Chatwood’s home ERA should be entirely disregarded.    Rather, it should be adjusted.    Chatwood’s overall ERA+ was 107 this year, 125 last year     That indicates he’s a pretty good pitcher.    But I wonder if the Orioles would ever sign a pitcher who’s had two TJ surgeries to a multi-year deal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meh.  I just see no reason to bank on Chatwood being any better for us than either Tillman or Miley.  Both have had more seasons of positive results than he has, and just as much reason to believe in going forward.  To each his own, I guess, but Chatwood certainly wouldn't be a target of mine.

[Tx Oriole]

On 10/30/2017 at 7:28 PM, wildcard said:

MLBTR points out something that is disturbing.

"MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko has recently reported that Miley would prefer a return to the National League, and Encina implies as much as well, calling a reunion with Tillman more likely than one with Miley. That said, it still strikes me as perhaps unlikely that Tillman would return on a deal with a “low base salary,” as Encina hears the Orioles have suggested. Though Tillman’s 2017 results were unsightly, last winter’s market saw names like Derek Holland and Tyson Ross — the latter of whom made just one appearance in 2016 — sign for $6MM bases"

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/orioles-rumors-chris-tillman-wade-miley-resign.html

If the O's have to give Tillman a 6m base to sign him that would cause some long hard thinking.  The O's know Tillman physical  condition and may know what he has to do be get back to his former self.  But from the outside looking in neither Ross nor Holland was worth 6m last year.   Tillman's risk is probably that high.

 

I wouldn't give Tillman 6 cents to come back to the O's. Get real DD. It takes good pitching to win. Enough already of the low tier pitchers. The FO has enough money to sign better pitchers. But they won't. If DD brings back Miley and Tillman because that's what Buck wants then as a fan I am done. Past done as a burnt piece of toast. 

[pastorfan]

On 10/29/2017 at 9:39 AM, mdbdotcom said:

While I'd prefer that they rebuild, I do think there is an outside chance of winning a wildcard slot taking this approach, and that's what the FO, Buck and DD want.

No chance we are going anywhere without shelling big money on two quality starters. Sox and Yanks will have much better pitching. 

[Roll Tide]

Saw that Roch is saying we have interest in Cashner and Vargas ....is Vargas really incrementally better than Miley?

[Luke-OH]

7 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Saw that Roch is saying we have interest in Cashner and Vargas ....is Vargas really incrementally better than Miley?

I don’t think Vargas is any better than Miley, just a different face. Cashner at this stage reeks of Gallardo. A former strikeout guy who has seen his strikeouts and fastball velocity drop but managed to put up a good ERA despite poor peripherals.  Not saying he’s as toasted as Gallardo was but not a guy to count on at this point.

[panick]

2 hours ago, phillyOs119 said:

I don’t think Vargas is any better than Miley, just a different face. Cashner at this stage reeks of Gallardo. A former strikeout guy who has seen his strikeouts and fastball velocity drop but managed to put up a good ERA despite poor peripherals.  Not saying he’s as toasted as Gallardo was but not a guy to count on at this point.

Would Cashner have to shave his beard?

[Roll Tide]

21 minutes ago, panick said:

Would Cashner have to shave his beard?

I would think so....

[Tx Oriole]

3 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

I would think so....

As long as the guy can pitch he could have beard. I wish Angelos and or Buck would get over the anti beard idea. 

 

[Luke-OH]

3 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

As long as the guy can pitch he could have beard. I wish Angelos and or Buck would get over the anti beard idea. 

 

I am all for fun in professional sports.  Sports are supposed to be fun right?

[Bahama O's Fan]

What about Lackey? Look at his K's and BB's per nine, 7.9 and 2.8 with a 41.2% GB rate despite some other poor numbers.

[Luke-OH]

2 hours ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

What about Lackey? Look at his K's and BB's per nine, 7.9 and 2.8 with a 41.2% GB rate despite some other poor numbers.

I like it better than Vargas or Cashner, there is a chance he just ran into some bad HR/FB luck. Even though Lackey is older than the other two, he’s had less velocity drop.  That said, he’s not particularly exciting.

[OriolesMagic83]

It's hard to believe that the O's are very willing to spend money on home run hitters w/ low OBP, limited defensive value, and tons of strikeouts, but not spend comparable money on starting pitching.  I wouldn't be surprised if Vargas is the O's big pitching signing.  I'm expecting lots of dumpster diving. 

[Bahama O's Fan]

5 hours ago, phillyOs119 said:

I like it better than Vargas or Cashner, there is a chance he just ran into some bad HR/FB luck. Even though Lackey is older than the other two, he’s had less velocity drop.  That said, he’s not particularly exciting.

Yes, looking for cheap options, as I assume that is the point of this thread. He won't command a lot of years or money, I assume. I would rather take 50 million and drop it on two aces, but I doubt they would do it, or if they would sign here.

[Tx Oriole]

12 hours ago, phillyOs119 said:

I am all for fun in professional sports.  Sports are supposed to be fun right?

When I was able to play football I had fun. So yes. I know professional sports is a business but players should still have fun. 

[Roll Tide]

On 11/6/2017 at 11:18 AM, Number5 said:

Meh.  I just see no reason to bank on Chatwood being any better for us than either Tillman or Miley.  Both have had more seasons of positive results than he has, and just as much reason to believe in going forward.  To each his own, I guess, but Chatwood certainly wouldn't be a target of mine.

Chatwood is 27 (in his prime) and is 21-17 with a 3.35 era away from Coors. I see no reason that he can't be a considerable upgrade over what we had last year and I believe he is a ground ball pitcher.