What does no announcement of a Buck extension mean?

[mdbdotcom]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

That the position Andy had with he Cubs. And now has with the Phillies.

But not the position he held with the O's. No one has ever held that position with the O's.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Maybe if you offer to pay Dan's contract for the next year then Peter to hire someone new.

I don’t know what Duquette’s salary is, but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to his impact on how his $170 mm+ budget (payroll and other things) should be spent.    

But it’s academic.   I was talking about what I would do, not what I think Angelos will do.   If Angelos were going to fire Duquette, it would have happened already.   The GM meetings start on Monday.   

[wildcard]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don’t know what Duquette’s salary is, but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to his impact on how his $170 mm+ budget (payroll and other things) should be spent.    

But it’s academic.   I was talking about what I would do, not what I think Angelos will do.   If Angelos were going to fire Duquette, it would have happened already.   The GM meetings start on Monday.   

Peter doesn't fire GMs.  He just doesn't re-hire them.   I was talking about after the 2018 season.

[El Gordo]

For all we know DD might be negotiating for an extension. Per Fanfest announcement, it'd be pretty embarrassing to announce Buck extension but not DD. So I say it's both or nothing.

[wildcard]

17 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

But not the position he held with the O's. No one has ever held that position with the O's.

Andy was president of Baseball Operations with the O's..  Dan hasn't even reach that level yet.

[Frobby]

10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Peter doesn't fire GMs.  He just doesn't re-hire them.   I was talking about after the 2018 season.

He fired Wren, but basically, you’re right.    He doesn’t often fire managers, either.    I actually like that about him, but I think there are times to make exceptions.    I’d favor making a decision on Duquette now, rather than next year, simply because there’s a conflict between Dan’s incentive to succeed in the short run and the team’s interest in succeeding in the longer run, that’s exacerbated by the fact that we have several very key players on expiring contracts.   

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Andy was president of Baseball Operations with the O's..  Dan hasn't even reach that level yet.

I personally think Andy held that title only because Flanny held the title Executive Vice President and Angelos didn’t want to embarrass Flanny by firing him, so he gave Andy a higher title.    There seems to be zero functional difference between Andy’s job responsibilities and Duquette’s.

[wildcard]

7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

He fired Wren, but basically, you’re right.    He doesn’t often fire managers, either.    I actually like that about him, but I think there are times to make exceptions.    I’d favor making a decision on Duquette now, rather than next year, simply because there’s a conflict between Dan’s incentive to succeed in the short run and the team’s interest in succeeding in the longer run, that’s exacerbated by the fact that we have several very key players on expiring contracts.   

But Dan's short term thinking may align with Peters.

[wildcard]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I personally think Andy held that title only because Flanny held the title Executive Vice President and Angelos didn’t want to embarrass Flanny by firing him, so he gave Andy a higher title.    There seems to be zero functional difference between Andy’s job responsibilities and Duquette’s.

I think the title denotes the pay level.  And Dan is all around getting to the next pay level.

[Frobby]

Just now, wildcard said:

But Dan's short term thinking my align with Peters.

Yep, maybe.   Again, I was talking about what I would do.    

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I think the title denotes the pay level.  And Dan is all around getting to the next pay level.

And you think that based on what? Do you have any idea what any GM of the Orioles has made?

Edit: per Cot’s, Duquette makes about $2 mm/yr, Buck makes $3.5 mm.

[Roll Tide]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

And you think that based on what? Do you have any idea what any GM of the Orioles has made?

Don't know where I read it  (Roch) .but I thought there was a hint of a behind the scenes agreement for a Buck. 

Ive always assumed he was staying one way or another.

[wildcard]

49 minutes ago, Frobby said:

And you think that based on what? Do you have any idea what any GM of the Orioles has made?

Edit: per Cot’s, Duquette makes about $2 mm/yr, Buck makes $3.5 mm.

By comparison

Managers

Scioscia  6m  on a 10/50m contract.

Girardi just finished a 4/16 contract

Maddon 5/25

Presidents

Epstein  5/18.5m

Friedman 5/35m

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

By comparison

Managers

Scioscia  6m  on a 10/50m contract.

Girardi just finished a 4/16 contract

Maddon 5/25

Presidents

Epstein  5/18.5m

Friedman 5/35m

So do you think any of that is relevant to what Andy MacPhail was paid as President of Baseball Operations for the Orioles?   

[Tx Oriole]

5 hours ago, foxfield said:

Well, I cannot imagine a GM worth having that would accept that set up. Why would you?  If it is successful, it's not yours...if it fails you are held responsible. Plus in fairness, while we have had that type of relationship, we have moved closer to a normal situation with AM and DD.  Even PA knows he needs a GM...he has to.  Ok.  I tried.  

Maybe every fan that buys a season ticket package can be GM for a day.  

I wouldn't like that setup.