Pantient Rebuilt - Aggressive Reload

[Luke-OH]

I’m a big fan of an aggressive reload.....for 2019.

Trade Manny, Britton, Brach.

Offload Trumbo’s contract if feasible, extend Schoop, Gausman.

Don't worry about winning in 2018, get Hays, Santander, and Stewart playing time.  Let Mullins develop maybe sign Dyson in case Mullins doesn’t pan out, Dyson could be a great 4th OF in 2019 if Mullins is in CF.

Sign Chatwood for 3/4 years to help stabilize the rotation. Draft Burch Smith, sign Fiers, let them and Ynoa, Hess, and Ramirez (listing them because they are on the 40, I like Means and Long better than Hess and Ramirez) fight for the 4th and 5th spot.

If possible trade for Prado and Straily (or Urena) from Marlins. Prado can play 3B.  If you can’t get Prado, draft Nate Orf and let him compete with Dosch and Wilkerson to be a stopgap at that position.

Sign Tommy Hunter and possibly Nicasio to round out the bullpen, trade them at the deadline if they overachieve.

If you can’t move Trumbo then trade Mancini for young pitching.

These moves would leave the Orioles with a solid controllable core and plenty of payroll room in 2019 to try and compete.

Beckham, Sisco, Schoop, Gausman, Bundy, Hays, any of Stewart, Santander and Mullins who pan out, Mancini or the young starter he is flipped for, Givens.

Also, in 2019 you have the possibility of Akin, Harvey, and Mountcastle ready to help.

None of this includes anything the team might get in the Manny, Britton, and Brach trades.

 

 

[mdbdotcom]

Orioles attendance has still not rebounded to what it was a couple of years before MacPhail started growing the arms and signing Garrett Atkins. The Orioles were lucky in that the Nationals also sucked during the MacPhail years. Today they are a powerhouse and outdraw the O's every season. There is no way this team does a full rebuild and gives the Nats more of its fans.

[spiritof66]

16 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

With the Yankees and Red Sox in this division and other WC-type teams a lot closer to competing than we are, I vote for a rebuild.   I realize that is not likely to happen based on Buck's and DD's statuses.  I'm prepared for about an 82-win team in 2018 and total uncertainty after this season.

Our votes are like the proverbial trees falling in the proverbial forest: there's nobody there to listen.

From all indications, the overall strategy for the team's direction has been and will be determined by one person. He's 88 years old. He's owned the team for 24 years and has never made it to the World Series. For much of that time, his team and he have been laughed at by those who have failed to recognize his intellectual prowess and moral superiority to other MLB owners. He intensely dislikes the Commissioner and the MLB establishment, and in all probability recognizes that they euchered him in the MASN deal. I don't expect him to give up even the slimmest chance at a World Series appearance and a victory parade, with his middle finger raised at least metaphorically to the baseball world, in favor of a rebuild for 2018. 

It's his team. It doesn't matter what we think. It matters very little, if at all, what Dan and Buck think. (And it may be that one or both of them have successfully lobbied against trading away top prospects over the last couple of years.)

There's only one vote that counts. I would like to see it cast for a rebuild, but I can't come up with a reason to believe that will happen. 

[Redskins Rick]

7 minutes ago, spiritof66 said:

Our votes are like the proverbial trees falling in the proverbial forest: there's nobody there to listen.

From all indications, the overall strategy for the team's direction has been and will be determined by one person. He's 88 years old. He's owned the team for 24 years and has never made it to the World Series. For much of that time, his team and he have been laughed at by those who have failed to recognize his intellectual prowess and moral superiority to other MLB owners. He intensely dislikes the Commissioner and the MLB establishment, and in all probability recognizes that they euchered him in the MASN deal. I don't expect him to give up even the slimmest chance at a World Series appearance and a victory parade, with his middle finger raised at least metaphorically to the baseball world, in favor of a rebuild for 2018. 

It's his team. It doesn't matter what we think. It matters very little, if at all, what Dan and Buck think. (And it may be that one or both of them have successfully lobbied against trading away top prospects over the last couple of years.)

There's only one vote that counts. I would like to see it cast for a rebuild, but I can't come up with a reason to believe that will happen. 

There is a lot to be said for disliking the commissioner and the MLB establishment, they are clueless and a bunch of clowns.

Its been a quite while since this team was the laughingstock of the baseball world.

[spiritof66]

31 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

There is a lot to be said for disliking the commissioner and the MLB establishment, they are clueless and a bunch of clowns.

Its been a quite while since this team was the laughingstock of the baseball world.

I agree with you. The first point is not relevant to the point I was trying to make. As to the second, I could argue with you -- Angelos has continued to be the subject of ridicule and derision, even if "laughingstock" is a little strong. But I included it because I believe from everything I've read that the decade-plus of putdowns has not been forgotten and that it reinforces Angelos' desperate desire to have his moment in the sun (the sun, not The Sun).  

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, spiritof66 said:

I agree with you. The first point is not relevant to the point I was trying to make. As to the second, I could argue with you -- Angelos has continued to be the subject of ridicule and derision, even if "laughingstock" is a little strong. But I included it because I believe from everything I've read that the decade-plus of putdowns has not been forgotten and that it reinforces Angelos' desperate desire to have his moment in the sun (the sun, not The Sun).  

Unlike Syd and his cronies, DD is a real and respected baseball man in the industry and I believe would have no problem landing a job elsewhere, if he so desired.

For the most part, the past several years, we have seen winning baseball here and meaningful games in September and that all anybody can ask, because this silly game we all love, is a game of inches and health.

 

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Unlike Syd and his cronies, DD is a real and respected baseball man in the industry and I believe would have no problem landing a job elsewhere, if he so desired.

For the most part, the past several years, we have seen winning baseball here and meaningful games in September and that all anybody can ask, because this silly game we all love, is a game of inches and health.

 

How long was he out of baseball the last time?

[weams]

2 hours ago, 24fps said:

Because he's a professional and an employee.  If the person who pays his salary wants him to rebuild then he does it to the best of his ability.  It's really that simple.  If he doesn't have specific guidance for 2018, undoubtly he has overall guidelines.  Something like "put the most competitive team possible on the field every year within the established budget."  That's probably the default and a lot of people don't think a rebuild is indicated, so I suspect it's business as usual anyway.  

I think the notion that Dan has the flexibility to operate in his own self-interest has been grossly exaggerated around here.  Even if he were somehow to do so, it would probably be noticed and impact his future employment opportunities elsewhere.   That's a significant disincentive.  He's a businessman with a lot of responsibility, not a cowboy.

A good read from a good poster. 

[Redskins Rick]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How long was he out of baseball the last time?

and it wasn't that long ago that the Blue Jays was interested in him

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

and it wasn't that long ago that the Blue Jays was interested in him

That vacancy has been filled.

[weams]

1 hour ago, clapdiddy said:

With the Yankees and Red Sox in this division and other WC-type teams a lot closer to competing than we are, I vote for a rebuild.   I realize that is not likely to happen based on Buck's and DD's statuses.  I'm prepared for about an 82-win team in 2018 and total uncertainty after this season.

82 wins is 6 wins from the playoffs. Or more. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, weams said:

82 wins is 6 wins from the playoffs. Or more. 

82 wins is 6 wins more than I am expecting.  Or more.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

That vacancy has been filled.

It doesn't matter, another organization beside the Orioles was interested in hiring him.

 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Redskins Rick said:

It doesn't matter, another organization beside the Orioles was interested in hiring him.

 

Right, after a successful season.

What is the market going to be like after two years of under 500 ball?

[MDtransplant757]

It really depends on the position we're in in July and August. DD will sell if we're terrible. Hence a quick rebuild because there will be a market for Manny, Schoop, Brach and Britton. See if the Nats want O'Day too for a prospect.