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8 hours ago, ChuckS said:

There is a lot more restraint this offseason.  You typically see these mid-tier free agents get bigger dollars when they sign early in the offseason.  I thought Tyler Chatwood at 3/38 as one of the first major SP to go was pretty low.  

The guys at the top (Darvish, Arrieta) will still get paid dumb money but you are going to see more value to be had with the low to mid-level guys. 

This is good for us. 

Reminds me of the offseason where we signed Tejada and Javy Lopez.  

 

Wow ...you thought The Chatwood contract was low? Chuck you are in complete denial. No matter me expected him to get that. I was expecting 2/20 and perhaps an option making him 3/30. He's a number 4  rotation guy tops.

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1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

So he bets on himself and figures as long as he isn’t terrible he will make the money next year. $4/5M risk.  

I do wonder if Orioles made a 1yr offer of their own.  

Wouldn't have mattered....We are playing with Monopoly money again LOL

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Wouldn't have mattered....We are playing with Monopoly money again LOL

He avoids the Orioles physical as well although a short term deal does not matter as much.  

I would think Orioles would have matched $6M for this year but if only 10/11 for 2 years doesn’t make much sense they offered more. Would have to think needed to go at least $8M to get a bite but who knows.  

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11 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

It also shows you the level of guys DD is targeting. I am sticking with Gonzo and Cashner as my predictions. 

At this point Gonzo and Tillman would be the clubhouse leaders to me. I have no idea about a 3rd arm. I was hoping we would get one legit arm, one so-so and one roll the dice. 

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7 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

I think the only way we get good pitching is if we grow our own or trade for someone else's prospects.  We know that we won't pay big bucks for an elite FA arm (which is fine, I'm in the blow it up camp, pretty much).

It's just obvious that we're not a desirable destination for decent FA arms.  

Agree with this take 100%. Scratch that, 110%. 

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28 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

So he bets on himself and figures as long as he isn’t terrible he will make the money next year. $4/5M risk.  

I do wonder if Orioles made a 1yr offer of their own.  

The only way he'd be a free agent after next season would be if he were non-tendered again. He has another year of arb eligibility before he is a regular free agent. O's offer must have been low or he was afraid of the physical (after 2 TJS procedures, he may have good reason).

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The only way he'd be a free agent after next season would be if he were non-tendered again. He has another year of arb eligibility before he is a regular free agent. O's offer must have been low or he was afraid of the physical (after 2 TJS procedures, he may have good reason).

Right but if he pitches well the Tigers offer him arbitration or trade him to another team. If he pitches well at $6M he will make more than that next year which is more than the Orioles are offering.

If he is awful or gets hurt he just lost $4/5M guaranteed.   

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3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Right but if he pitches well the Tigers offer him arbitration or trade him to another team. If he pitches well at $6M he will make more than that next year which is more than the Orioles are offering.

If he is awful or gets hurt he just lost $4/5M guaranteed.   

Given the high and rapidly escalating cost of pitching, he could have a lousy year, get non-tendered and make even more the next season.

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15 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Given the high and rapidly escalating cost of pitching, he could have a lousy year, get non-tendered and make even more the next season.

One more point is if he is pitching well there is a good chance he gets dealt in July anyway and winds up playing for a contender as a bonus.  

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